August 25, 201114 yr DD-963 Spruance class (1977-1984), now the oldest version in the DB is the entry 2398, near 1981-1998: With: RIM-7F Sea Sparrow, Mk 46 mod 2, Harpoon, ASROC with Mk 46 mod 2 and nuclear ASROC. Without: armour, RIM-7M Sea Sparrow, Mk 46 mod 5 NEARTIP, Tomahawk cannisters, Phalanx, TAS Mk23 neither SQR-19. Other than USS Cushing (DD-985), which other three Spruance class destroyers had the SQR-15 towed array? Mmmm .... hard question. I was thinking SQR-15 was of generic dotation a short time after commisioning, but now I see it's not. Reading now the Spruance entry on High Tide, the answer can be: - Apparently, initially SQR-15 installed in only four ships, but not from the commisioning time, I see now. - 1985 and on: SQR-19 added. 4 ships carried SQR-15 instead of SQR-19 (i.e., the ships initially equipped with towed array). - 19??: Fitted with SQR-19 except for DD-969, 972, 976, 982-985, 986, 988-990 (but in the Improved Spruance entry almost all those ships, and the rest of Improved Spruance, are equipped with SQR-19, for that my guess is the SQR-15 was extended previously to the ships not equipped with SQR-19, and not to the Cushing and other three). - Harpoon 4 Data Annex 9604-57C (rear cover), circa 1992?, does not mention the SQR-15, but does the same mention that High Tide to SQR-19. - Harpoon Data Annex 1990-91 Edition list the SQR-19 only in the DD-980, and does not mention to SQR-15. - US Destroyers, an illustrated design history, Norman Friedman 1982, says on a photo caption Plans to install the SQS-35 VDS sonars were abandoned, altought ultimately these ships will be equipped with towed arrays - La Marina (1978-1983 Editorial Delta/Fabbri) does not mention to towed array. - Modern Naval Combat, David and Chris Miller, Salamander 1986, states in the Spruance entry: This system (SQS-53C) has proved so succesful that the SQS-35 VDS initially scheduled will not now be fitted, but names the SQR-19 as standard equipment!!!- The same quote about not use of SQS-35 on Armamento y Poder Militar, a 1983 Spanish spin-off of many Salamander books, adding SQR-19 will be added when possible.- Sea Forces of the World, Christopher Chant 1990, lists all the ships as SQR-19 equipped. - Conway's 1947-1995 only quotes the SQS-53 as sonar equippment in the Spruance entry (misnamed SQS-33), and says All will eventually equipped with TAS Mk23 and with the SQQ-89 ASW suit, including the SQR-19 towed array and improved versions of the SQS-53 sonar (in some books the first bow sonar is named SQS-53 sans suffixe or SQS-53A, improved to SQS-53B or C varying on the sources).- Jane's Fighting Ships 2004-2005 quotes the SQR-19 as standard (and also SQS-53B/C). My humble opinion now is: - The Spruances initially not were equipped with towed arrays. - From 1985 they were equipped with towed arrays, the first four ships equipped with SQR-15 and the rest with SQR-19. About game modelling outcomes, easily we can make the proposed 1977-1984 Spruance variant without any towed array, and the rest of Spruance variants with SQR-19 TACTAS towed array, forgeting the question about the SQR-15 for sake of simplicity of the DB ...
August 25, 201114 yr My humble opinion now is:- The Spruances initially not were equipped with towed arrays. - From 1985 they were equipped with towed arrays, the first four ships equipped with SQR-15 and the rest with SQR-19. About game modelling outcomes, easily we can make the proposed 1977-1984 Spruance variant without any towed array, and the rest of Spruance variants with SQR-19 TACTAS towed array, forgeting the question about the SQR-15 for sake of simplicity of the DB ... I have Harpoon4 annexes updated to June 2011, but nothing in there that updates the High Tide entry. The SQR-15 was a developmental system, so I am doubtful that it was applied across the Spruance fleet, and it seems implicit that only the four hulls used it. In any event, I will post a query on Admiralty Trilogy and see if any better info pops up there. The SQR-15 makes too much of a difference performance wise, as far as HCE goes, to ignore it without digging at least a little deeper.
August 25, 201114 yr Other little considerations about these days research: SH-3H Sea King USN: about 1976 LN-66 radar and ESM deleted (confirmed by photographic evidence and stated in High Tide). Number of sonobouys increased in the aft space previously used by the radar. In the downside view of Squadron Signal In Action series 150 H-3 Sea King, page 51, apparently 24 SB initially in the port sponson, and 2x12 SB in the radar space in the aft fuselage (in others a inferior number, perhaps only 1x12, as in some pictures), i.e, a grand total of 48 sonobuoys !!! (but perhaps some of them are echo-sounding charges). DD-931 Forrest Sherman class (1971-1988)(Forrest Sherman class unmodified): I've not finded a date of the deletion of the 2xHedgehog and the 2xtwin 76mm Mk33 mounts. The Spruances: now I think the 1977-1984 variant must be equipped with the SQS-53A sonar, only 1 convergence zone capable [edit by CV32: link removed].
August 25, 201114 yr The SQR-15 makes too much of a difference performance wise, as far as HCE goes, to ignore it without digging at least a little deeper. Mehr Licht! (More light!) Goethe Ok , thanks !
August 30, 201114 yr I think I've settled on eleven different variants of the Spruance class destroyer.
August 30, 201114 yr I think I've settled on eleven different variants of the Spruance class destroyer. Very, very impressive effort and results, Brad It's a pity the size limitation of the DBs to 2047 or so entries in each category (the loadouts problem mainly, because that is very difficult to model new planes), but I'm sure we can keep living with it. And also, editing the DBs we are taking priceless lessons about weapon platforms, clarifying his historical evolution, and keeping records from use for next editions of the game, or for other uses ... Incidentally, "somebody" e-mailed me a pair of hours ago stating in the future paper rules, the BQQ-10 values will be probably: BQQ-10 (software and harware modifications to the previous BQQ-5, BQQ-6 and BSY-1 installed in Providence, Ohio and San Juan classes, replacing all the previous sonars on 2013): Active: 5.5 nm, Passive: 4.8 nm, CZ: 2. BQQ-10 (software and harware modifications to the previous BSY-2 installed in the Seawolf/Carter class, the same values for the BQQ-10(V)4 installed in the future Virginia flight III): Active: 5.5 nm, Passive: 5.5 nm, CZ: 2. A more pedestrian issue: The newly introduced in the DB Libyan Su-22 Fitter-F and Su-22M Fitter-J (entries 11024 and 11025) are almost with only air-to-air loadouts, it's intentioned, or them were forgetted? It's worth to include on those planes some air-to-ground loadouts of the other Su-22 variants compatible with them?(entries 10338 and 10726). Meanwhile, I'm working in some Cold War scenarios, but a little dissapointed because this weird thing finded tonight, a real mess for the scenarios I was developing, the enemy subs stopping after 20 minutes of playtime: http://harpgamer.com/harpforum/index.php?a...amp;showbug=208
August 30, 201114 yr Incidentally, "somebody" e-mailed me a pair of hours ago stating in the future paper rules, the BQQ-10 values will be probably:BQQ-10 (software and harware modifications to the previous BQQ-5, BQQ-6 and BSY-1 installed in Providence, Ohio and San Juan classes, replacing all the previous sonars on 2013): Active: 5.5 nm, Passive: 4.8 nm, CZ: 2. BQQ-10 (software and harware modifications to the previous BSY-2 installed in the Seawolf/Carter class, the same values for the BQQ-10(V)4 installed in the future Virginia flight III): Active: 5.5 nm, Passive: 5.5 nm, CZ: 2. I am using active range 5.1 nm, passive range 4.3 nm, CZ 2, for the BQQ-10. At least for now.
August 30, 201114 yr HCDB-110729 Israeli F-15I Raam, GP-2 loadout: You have it equipped with 12(!) 2000 lb Mk 84 GPB. I think perhaps this should have been 12 Mk 83 1000 lb GPB, instead, or possibly 12 Mk 82 500 lb GPB ...
August 30, 201114 yr About the F-15E or F-15I it can be true, the 12 weapons under the CFT are rated at 2.000 lb (also the centerline pylon and the closer to the fuselage underwing pylons, apparently a total at least of 15x2.000 lb): http://www.f-15e.info/joomla/en/weapons/we...external-stores
August 31, 201114 yr HCDB-110729 Israeli F-15I Raam, GP-2 loadout: You have it equipped with 12(!) 2000 lb Mk 84 GPB. I think perhaps this should have been 12 Mk 83 1000 lb GPB, instead, or possibly 12 Mk 82 500 lb GPB ... Yes, a typo. Supposed to have been 12 x 500 lb Mk 82, the Loadout GP # 56445 already carrying the 2,000 lb Mk 84. Thanks, Warhorse.
September 6, 201114 yr Overhauling Soviet/Russian submarine armament for the next release. Edit: Turning into more of a general overhaul, to put it more accurately.
September 6, 201114 yr You might want to take a look at the US subs as well, there's a number of oddities in the most recent db relating to their weapon arcs and loadouts.
September 6, 201114 yr You might want to take a look at the US subs as well, there's a number of oddities in the most recent db relating to their weapon arcs and loadouts. Specific examples would be helpful and appreciated.
September 6, 201114 yr Okay ... SS Grayback - text description refers to a Bulgarian frigate. I believe this is just because the text field indicator in the db was left at the default '0' setting. SS Oberon - this is a UK boat with nationality listed as US. SSGN Ohio - the Trident II SSGN tubes are somewhat underloaded. 22 tubes * 7 missiles per tube = 154 missiles capacity. Only 35 * 3 = 105 missiles provided. SSN Los Angeles (1989) - torpedo firing arcs only extend 60 deg off centre vs 90 deg. SSN Permit (1989) - torpedo firing arcs only extend 60 deg off centre vs 90 deg. SSN Providence (688I/98) - AFAIK, all 688-type boats had a max loadout of 26 torpedo-type weapons. This one has 34 - 18 Mk48s and 16 Tomahawks. SSN San Juan (688I/98) - AFAIK, all 688-type boats had a max loadout of 26 torpedo-type weapons. This one has 34 - 18 Mk48s and 16 Tomahawks. SSN Seawolf (575) - torpedo firing arcs only extend 60 deg off centre vs 90 deg. SSN Skate - torpedo firing arcs only extend 60 deg off centre vs 90 deg. SSN Sturgeon (1987) - torpedo firing arcs only extend 60 deg off centre vs 90 deg. SSN Sturgeon (DDS/89) - torpedo firing arcs only extend 60 deg off centre vs 90 deg. SSN Virginia (all blocks) - a number of web sites, including Wikipedia and globalsecurity.org, list the Virginias as having a total capacity of 38 torpedoes and missiles. Subtracting 12 in the VLS tubes, this would imply a total of 26 in the torpedo room, vs the 18 indicated?
September 6, 201114 yr I definitely see some examples of bad arithmetic here, heh. No problem, will fix the issues and put out a new release within the week. Thanks for finding these errors. Okay ...SS Grayback - text description refers to a Bulgarian frigate. I believe this is just because the text field indicator in the db was left at the default '0' setting. Yep, forgot to fill the field with the text description already created. SS Oberon - this is a UK boat with nationality listed as US. Typo. SSGN Ohio - the Trident II SSGN tubes are somewhat underloaded. 22 tubes * 7 missiles per tube = 154 missiles capacity. Only 35 * 3 = 105 missiles provided. This comes up frequently. From a Harpoon4/HT perspective, at least, two tubes have been converted to 9 man lockout chambers for swimmers and docks for ASDS and DDS. Six more tubes are unusable with ASDS carried or 8 with the DDS. A further 8 tubes can carry UUV or SOF equipment (2 weapons, 4 dry, 2 wet) or 7 Tomahawk each. The remaining 14 tubes then, can carry 7 Tomahawk each. Even in the pure strike role, then, an Ohio SSGN carries only 140 Tomahawks, not 154. With SOF and ASDS, considered standard, the missile load is 98. With two DDS, it drops to 56 Tomahawk. My intention was to have the 'standard', or mixed Tomahawk/SOF loadout. Even so, my math was bad, with one missile tube more than I should have had, leading to 105 instead of 98 Tomahawks. I've since fixed this and adjusted the SEAL team contingent upward. SSN Los Angeles (1989) - torpedo firing arcs only extend 60 deg off centre vs 90 deg.SSN Permit (1989) - torpedo firing arcs only extend 60 deg off centre vs 90 deg. SSN Seawolf (575) - torpedo firing arcs only extend 60 deg off centre vs 90 deg. SSN Skate - torpedo firing arcs only extend 60 deg off centre vs 90 deg. SSN Sturgeon (1987) - torpedo firing arcs only extend 60 deg off centre vs 90 deg. SSN Sturgeon (DDS/89) - torpedo firing arcs only extend 60 deg off centre vs 90 deg. Fixed these. SSN Providence (688I/98) - AFAIK, all 688-type boats had a max loadout of 26 torpedo-type weapons. This one has 34 - 18 Mk48s and 16 Tomahawks.SSN San Juan (688I/98) - AFAIK, all 688-type boats had a max loadout of 26 torpedo-type weapons. This one has 34 - 18 Mk48s and 16 Tomahawks. Bad math at play. Should be four Tomahawks per mount instead of eight. Fixed. SSN Virginia (all blocks) - a number of web sites, including Wikipedia and globalsecurity.org, list the Virginias as having a total capacity of 38 torpedoes and missiles. Subtracting 12 in the VLS tubes, this would imply a total of 26 in the torpedo room, vs the 18 indicated? Yep, but you have to adjust the torpedo load downward to accommodate the SOF (SEAL teams). Harpoon4/HT says you can carry 40 SOF troops vice all reload torpedoes or 27 SOF vice 8 reloads.
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