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Digesting the impressive new planes in HCDB-120405: - I think the APS-107 in F-105F/G is not a radar, is a combined RWR/ESM/targeting system, as descripted in http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal8...-Tucker/00.shtm or in http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav...r2aps.html#_APS In my personal tables I see the F-105D/F (and probably G) radar is the ASG-19/NASARR R-14A Thunderstick (The radome is clearly bigger in F-105D and later marks than in F-105B. Alternative designation MA-9?, optimized for ground attack, my estimates: AS/SS, range=30, PH=50), not a Weather radar as in F-105B/D (Historically RO in F-105B, a MA-8/E-34 ranging radar) neither APS-107 as in F-105F/G.

But it's not strictly that ... (AH-1Z included): http://incolor.inetnebr.com/iceman/index.htm

Wow! Thanks, Brad And yes, JMS, I've lose my own notes about the Hunter ... at least in: - RAF service to 1994 (Buccaneer radar trainer), Empire Test Pilots School to 1999. - India to 2001. - Switzerland to 1994 (with 2xMaverick or 2xAIM-9). - Singapore to 1992 (with 4xMaverick or 4xAIM-9). - Chile to 1996. - Peru to 1980. - Lebanon, limited service to today!. Other sources: http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/hunter/history.php http://www.vectorsite.net/avhunt_2.html#m1

Another forgetted old fighter but in the early eigthies in the twilight of her career and not very relevant at that time, F-100 Super Sabre: F-100 Super Sabre (Denmark, 1959-August 1982): 48 F-100D and 24 F-100F delivered. One third losed in accidents. F-100 Super Sabre (Turkey, 1958-1982): A grand total of some 206 F-100C/D/F delivered (at least 92 F-100C from 1972 and probably others earlier, at least 87 F-100D/F). Used in the 1974 action on Cyprus. Other former users deleted the F-100 a few years earlier, as Taiwan in 1979 and France in 1978.

About the Italian FREMM frigates (slightly enlarged and modified post in relation with the posted in the News in Europe section): From Mer et Marine, and with implications in the DB: http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=119189 For now, six commanded frigates: F590 Carlo Bergamini: General purpose variant, shore bombardment. F591 Virginio Fasan: ASW variant. F592 Carlo Margottini: ASW variant. F593 Luigi Rizzo: ASW variant. F594 unnamed: ASW variant. F595 unnamed: General purpose variant, shore bombardment. Main differences: The main gun in the General purpose variant is a 127mm/64 OTO Melara LW. The main gun in the ASW variant is a 76mm/62 OTO Melara Super Rapid. (and another aft 76mm gun and 2x25mm/80 OTO Melara Oerlikon single guns in both variants, the French variant has only a forward 76mm). Missiles General purpose variant: 8xOtomat Mk2 Block IV/Teseo Mk2/A. Missiles ASW variant: 4xOtomat+4xMilas. (and 16xVLS Aster 15 in both variants). Also, the Italian FREMM would be retrofitted with ASTER 30, the French ones is not capable. Note, at start only 16xVLS, not 32 as previously reported, and present in the French variant, see this picture: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/6..._bergamini4.JPG Torpedoes: apparently 2x2 torpedo tubes in the General purpose variant and 2x3 torpedo tubes in the ASW variant, for MU-90 torpedos. Sonar: both variants with TMS 4110 CL (Hull). The ASW variant adds a UMS 4229 CAPTAS (Towed). In the General purpose variant the room of the towed sonar is occupied by a dock for assault boats. Other commons: Radar: both Italian variants with EMPAR NG, not EMPAR. Helicopters: both variants with 2xNH-90 or 1xNH-90+1xEH-101 (large helicopter capable) (The French FREMM are only capables of one helicopter). http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/FREMM

From Mer et Marine, and with implications in the DB: http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=119189 For now, six commanded frigates: F590 Carlo Bergamini: General purpose variant, shore bombardment. F591 Virginio Fasan: ASW variant. F592 Carlo Margottini: ASW variant. F593 Luigi Rizzo: ASW variant. F594 unnamed: ASW variant. F595 unnamed: General purpose variant, shore bombardment. Main differences: The main gun in the General purpose variant is a 127mm/64 OTO Melara LW. The main gun in the ASW variant is a 76mm/62 OTO Melara Super Rapid. (and another aft 76mm gun and 2x25mm/80 OTO Melara Oerlikon single guns in both variants, the French variant has only a forward 76mm). Missiles General purpose variant: 8xOtomat Mk2 Block IV/Teseo Mk2/A. Missiles ASW variant: 4xOtomat+4xMilas. (and 16xVLS Aster 15 in both variants). Also, the Italian FREMM would be retrofitted with ASTER 30, the French ones is not capable. Note, at start only 16xVLS, not 32 as previously reported, and present in the French variant, see this picture: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/6..._bergamini4.JPG Torpedoes: apparently 2x2 torpedo tubes in the General purpose variant and 2x3 torpedo tubes in the ASW variant, for MU-90 torpedos. Sonar: both variants with TMS 4110 CL (Hull). The ASW variant adds a UMS 4229 CAPTAS (Towed). In the General purpose variant the room of the towed sonar is occupied by a dock for assault boats. Other commons: Radar: both Italian variants with EMPAR NG, not EMPAR. Helicopters: both variants with 2xNH-90 or 1xNH-90+1xEH-101 (large helicopter capable) (The French FREMM are only capables of one helicopter). http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/FREMM

More pictures, including VLS (16xAster 15+16xScalp Naval, Scalp Naval from 2014): http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=119255

Thanks Brad and Tony by the overall and decisive effort!

Writing with the Blackberry, is better to read the news report: http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=119157

In late May I will do a presentation of a paper about 30 years after the Falklands/Malvinas WAR. The presentation will be supported probably by some Harpoon graphics (itks not the first time I will mention Harpoon in an academic paper). I will mention also this use in the Austrealian parlament, and my Pooner 2011 award ...

Amen.

I think it's a good idea but out of the game scoop, the scale and simulation is inadecuate. The Divisions in the DB, as example, are modelled almost only as targets for air and sea units. But you can do some test playing this interesting and relative old scenario (Phillipine Crunch by Stanlintc) to test the virtues and shorcomings of land combat: http://harpgamer.com/harpforum/index.php?a...mp;showfile=297

Some ideas and hints about old warplanes based on my tables about old planes, more or less about the missing time period (1980-1991?) in the DB, but not particular interest in none of them. Only for sake of historicity. Perhaps the Crusaders, F-105, Draken, Wessex, FB-111A and Sea Hawk can be the priorities: A-4M Skyhawk (USMC 1971-1990, 1990-1994 in reserve squadrons). OA-4M Skyhawk (USMC 1978?-1994). A-4F Skyhawk (USN/USMC 1967-1986?). A-7B Corsair II (USN 1968-1977, 1977-1987 in reserve squadrons). AV-8A Harrier (USMC 1971-1987): no RWR. AV-8C Harrier (USMC 1979-1987): yes RWR. ALE-40. Canberra B.20 (Australia, from 1971-1982 employed only for target towing and recce). B-57B (Pakistan 1959-1985, 24 units, RB-1A radar, four drop tanks). B-57C (Pakistan 1959-1985, 2 units). RB-57F (Pakistan 1965-1985? 1 unit). KA-3B Skywarrior (USN 1967-1989). EKA-3B Skywarrior (USN 1968-1989). EA-6A (1968-1993): from 1984 with Shrike ARM. ALQ-86 ESM, ALE-32 chaff pod, ALQ-31 ECM pod (x5), ALQ-76 ECM pod (x5). Buccaneer S.50 (South Africa 1965-1991): 15 delivered, 4xAS.20 or AS.30. 4xSNEB 18x68mm rocket pods. 2x430 USG DT (not in UK Buccaneers) Belly tank added after. LOROP recce pod. Buccaner S.2A (RAF 1969-1982): 62 ex-FAA aircraft for the RAF. No Martel capables. From 1970 with WE177B/C. From 1973 with 4xSNEB 18x68mm rocket pods. From 1973? 4xBL-755 cluster bombs. http://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk/0_Contents.html F-8P (F-8H) Crusader (Philippines 1978-1988): 25 delivered, with IRST, RWR. F-8E (FN) Crusader (French Navy 1975-1992): no IRST, no RWR. 4xAIM-9B, or 2xMagic I/II, or 2xMatra R.530. F-8P (FN) Crusader (French Navy 1993-1999): 17 aircraft converted. no IRST, yes RWR, only 2xMagic 2. RF-8G Crusader (US 1965-1987, from 1983 only in reserve squadrons): RWR, ALE-26, ALQ-51, reinforced wings with pylons, 73 aircraft. RF-84F Thunderflash (Greece to 1991). CA-27 Sabre (Indonesia 1973-1982): 23 units of the Australian Sabre variant. F-86F Sabre (Argentina 1960-1986): 28 units. F-85F Sabre (Bolivia 1973-1994): 9 planes. F-86F Sabre (Japan 1955-1982): 490 delivered, from 1959 with 2xAIM-9B. F-86F Sabre/Canadair Sabre Mk6 (Pakistan 1950-1980): 120 delivered. F-105B Thunderchief (USAF 1959-1981). F-105D Thunderchief (USAF 1960-1984). F-105F Thunderchief (USAF 1963-1983). F-105G Thunderchief (USAF 1968-1983). FB-111A (SAC 1971-1990). Lightning F.53 (Saudi Arabia 1969-1986). Saab Sk35C Draken (Sweden 1960-1985). Saab J35D Draken (Sweden 1963-1984). Saab J35F-1/2 Draken (Sweden 1965-1989?). Saab J35J Draken (Sweden 1987?-1998). Saab J35S Draken (Finland 1974-2000). Saab 35Oe (J35D) Draken (Austria 1987-2005): initially only with guns. With AIM-9P from 1992. P-2H Neptune (France 1958-1984). Sea Hawk FGA.6/no mark (India 1961-1983): carrier-based fighter. Wessex HAS.3 (RN 1967-1982). Wessex HC.2 (RAF 1964-1987?). Wessex HU.5 (RN 1964-1987). Wessex AS.31B (Australia 1969-1982).

Yes, I'was thinking about the installation problem this morning. A possibility is to write a indexed DB of realworld installations (mainly ports and airports) with their coordinates and mention of some basic carectheristics (as air defenses or radars), for use by the scenario creators, but I'm very short on time these months ...

Perhaps we can add Taif RSAF base, where are based the 24 Typhoon of the Third Squadron, Second Wing, very near of Mecca: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taif_Air_Base http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Saudi_Air_Force

I regret I've not an ultimate answer, but it's probably here, sometimes with detailes bureau of aeronautics numbers: http://www.gonavy.jp/CV-CV34f.html Some other hints here and there for other time periods: http://navysite.de/cvn/cvw.htm ( Cited previously by Akmatov here http://harpgamer.com/harpforum/index.php?s...amp;#entry12069 ) Some data from U.S. Aircraft Carriers - An Illustrated Design History, by Norman Friedman, Naval Institute Press 1983, page 292: CVA Essex (SBC-27A), CVA-9, 10, 12, 15, 18, 20, 33, 34, 39: 23xAD Skyraider 13xF2H Banshee 16xF9F-5 Panther 22xF9F-6 Cougar 1xHUP Retriever CVA Essex (SBC-27C), CVA-11, 14, 16, 19, 31, 38: 16xAD-6 Skyraider 6xAD-4B Skyraider 10xAD-4NA Skyraider 12xF2H-3 Banshee 44xF9F-6 Cougar 1xHUP Retriever And I remember at the start of the Reagan Administration the idea of reactivate Oriskany with 40xAV-8, A-4 or A-7 (It was decided the carriage of only a plane type to simplify maintenance and logistics).

Without the benefit of a laser designator pod, though, at least as far as the Tranche 2 aircraft go. Yes, that's the same comment in the Air Forces Monthly article

Sorry, my only purpose was to add the GBU-16 Paveway II to the previous post !!!

Fascinating types

About the future Saudi Arabia F-15SA, from the Air Forces Monthly April 2012 issue and other sources: First (rebuilt) planes to be delivered from 2014 (70 old F-15S to be converted in F-15SA). New-build planes to be delivered from 2015 (84 new F-15SA to be delivered). They will be eqquiped with AESA APG-63(V)3 radar, Sniper XR IRST targeting pod, and DEWS internal ECM suite. From http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/A-2010...ng-Spree-06520/ Missiles and bombs to be delivered includes: AIM-9X (300 units), AIM-120C7 (500), 500 lbs. DMLGB (1000), 2000 lbs. DMLGB (1000), AGM-88B HARM (600), 2000 lbs. GBU-24 Paveway III (1100), 2000 lbs. GBU-31B(V)3·JDAM (1000), CBU-105D/B WCMD (1300), Harpoon Block II (400, land-attack capables), 500 lbs. Mk82 (1000), 2000 lbs. Mk84 (2000),

About the Saudi Arabia Typhoon, from the Air Forces Monthly April 2012 issue: Apparently IOC 2011. Only 24 aircraft delivered to 2012 (delivered between June 2009 and September 2011, plans to assembly the 48 remaining Typhoons in Saudi Arabia were abandoned, they will be assembled in Warton). AAM are AIM-120C5 and IRIS-T, not AIM-132 as in the DB.

Very interesting this PDF, thanks.

Good thread idea

Some considerations about the Lutjens-class DDG: Sources: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klasse_103/103A/103B (very well explained in German) and the “High Tide” supplement: The original German designation are: - Type 103: early designation with Tartar SAM (from the 1969 start, as entry 3743 Lutjens (80)). - Type 103A: middle designation after the 1981 refit, replacing Tartar with Standard SAM and with boilers capables of working with light oil (from entry 3742 Lutjens (81)). - Type 103B: late designation, replacing the Mk68 FCS with the Mk86 FCS, adding SPQ-9A and SPG-60 radar. As consequence, in the DB, the SPQ-9A radar should be add only after the 1984 refit. The 20mm/65 Rh202 guns were added only from near 1993 (they are not presente in books older at least than 1990, the first reference I saw was in the Janes 2001), and confirmed in the German Wikipedia. • Apparently other possible weapons fits from the 1993 refit are 2xStinger SAM and 2xMG: “optional zwei Fliegerfäuste und zwei Maschinengewehre“

Another great update today !!! Thanks Brad !!!! But I'm with a lot of real work in my real life, and I'm digesting yet the previous updating (HCDB-120219)