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Same applied to the Red side, see here the modified test scenario: 2024-08 TEST RED SUB LAUNCHED AShM WITH SHIP.zip

Incredible, great intuition Don!!! At the first attempt in the test scenario, including an useless Albanese minesweeper in each Blue submarine group, the submarines lauch instantly missiles against the Red Merchants, as detected by the AWACS.

Not idea, I'll see.

Also please, when time available, get a look to this one:

Thanks!!!

Playing Red, at -16:44 Echo II launch SS-N-12 at some 12 nm target distance (its range is some 200 nm, and its minimum range 12 nm). Very probably those launch distances correspond with passive sonar maximum range of the submarine launching missiles, less in the case of US and UK submarines. In consequence, others submarines launch their anti-ship missiles at ridiculous short distances, apparently at least.

Playing Red, at -18:45 Charlie I lauch SS-N-7 at 15 nm target distance (its range is some 43 nm).

Playing Red, at -18:55 Oscar II lauch TASM at 35 nm target distance (its range is some 200 nm).

Playing Red, at -20:30 Oscar II lauch SS-N-19 at 27 nm target distance (its range is some 200 nm).

2).- Playing Red, at -22:15 US and UK submarines launch Harpoon at 35 nm target distance (its range is some 75 nm).

Playing Blue, from -20:12 Charlie I/II launch MG-44 decoys against merchants sucessive times, but not real torpedoes. at some 14 nm target distance.

Playing Blue, at -20:12 Oscar III again launch SS-N-26 at 27 nm target distance (its range is some 162 nm)

Playing Blue, at -20:18 Oscar II again launch SS-N-19 at 27 nm target distance (its range is some 200 nm).

Playing Blue, at -22:08 Oscar II lauch SS-N-19 at 27 nm target distance (its range is some 200 nm).

Observed building the latest scenarios. At start I did think the Red side don't launch antiship missiles from its submarines. This afternoon developed this little test scenario (Mediterranean 2003 theatre) to very this, but the results are at least "strange". 1).- Playing Blue, near the Lebanese coast. The Red AWACS detects our merchant ships, but only the two northernmost submarines, one Royal Navy and other USN lauch their anti-ship missiles (Harpoon, and the USN submarine some 90 minutes later the longer ranged old TASM), but all the others submarine groups (All Russian SSGN) sail by own AI initiative to use torpedoes againts the merchants (also doing this the US and UK submarines): - Neither SS-N-7, SS-N-9 (Charlie I/II). have differente flags to Harpoon, but are not launched, same with the little different flagged SS-N-12, SS-N-19, SS-N-26 (Echo II and Oscar II/III). - Changing Charlie I/II to country UK/US, same result. - Changing Charlie I/II from SSGN to SSN, same result. 2).- Playing Red, near the Sicilian coast (I didn't observe this running the usual scenarios, but probably because usually play Blue side): The Blue AWACS detects our merchant ships, but none of the submarines, including the same two northernmost submarines, one Royal Navy and other USN lauch their anti-ship missiles (Harpoon), same the Russian submarines don't lauch missiles, but ALL the submarine groups (NATO and Russian) sail to use torpedoes againts the merchants: - Changing Charlie I/II to country UK/US, same result. - Changing Charlie I/II from SSGN to SSN, same result. 2024-08 TEST RED SUB LAUNCHED AShM.zip

Some sources: Main inspiration: Article by Joseph Giuda "Harpoon Scenario: Hunting the Bear" in Harpoon SITREP 66 Main, comprehensive and in deep source for the Yemens, the time period and importantly the internal "events" of January 13, 1986, destroying the 75% of South Yemen air force elements : "Hot Skies over Yemen, Volume 1, Aerial Warfare over the Southern Arabian Peninsula, 1962-1994" by Tom Cooper. Helion & Company 2017. Apparently not available on the Helion books site, try here: https://www.dhz-books.com/en-gb/hot-skies-over-yemen---volume-1,-middle-eastwar-no-11,-helion On the USS Enterprise (CVN-65) her air wing and her escorts: http://www.gonavy.jp/CV-CVN65f.html http://www.uscarriers.net/cvn65deploy.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_Yemen https://armstransfers.sipri.org/ArmsTransfer/TransferData Ten Mirage IIIC based a Djibouti (this was hard to find!): https://www.defnat.com/e-RDN/vue-article.php?carticle=13606&cidrevue=386

Notes on some platforms: - SA-9b should be not equipped with any radar, but only with RWR/ESM locating system (System 9S12. Not in the East Germany ones, probably not for export: https://www.rwd-mb3.de/pages/9s12.htm ) https://www.rwd-mb3.de/frat.html - The Juliett SSG in the original Harpoon SITREP scenario has been replaced by an Echo II SSGN, as the missiles of the Juliett in the DB are not ship-attack capable (From 1965 all Julietts were equipped with anti-ship capable P-6 missiles, in the HCDB2 database is only equipped with nukes, some anti-ship, some anti-ground). - Both North and South Yemen employed simultaneously MIG-21MF and MIG-21bis at that time period. For sake of clarification in this scenario North Yemen employs only MIG-21MF (represented by Syrian MIG-21MF Fishbed-J 80) and South Yemen only MIG-21bis (represented by Algerian MIG-21bis Fishbed-L 80), and only these later ones equipped (if any present on this theatre) with R-60/AA-8 Aphid AAMs. - South Yemen Mi-24A Hind-A are represented by Libyan ones. - The presence of USS Salt Lake City SSN-716 is completely speculative, but historically plausible to complete the Enterprise CVBG.

View File Gulf of Aden Clash. June 1986. Hypothetical/Historical Scenario. Gulf of Aden Clash. June 1986. Hypothetical/Historical Scenario. A Harpoon Commander's Edition scenario for EC2003 Battle for the Middle East Battleset and the HCDB2-170308 new standard 1980-2025 Platform Database. This scenario is designed with advanced Scenario Editor and to be run with HCE 2015.008+ or later. This scenario is designed to be played from the Blue/NATO-Yemen Arab Republic/YAR (North Yemen) side or from the Red/USSR-People's Democratic Republic of Yemen/PDRY (South Yemen)-Iran side. You should play a few times first the Blue side to avoid spoilers, and only later play the Red side. Image: The U.S. Navy nuclear-powered Task Force One on September 17, 1986, commemorating a world cruise on the 25th Anniversary of the 1964 cruise Operation "Sea Orbit". Included the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS Enterprise (CVN-65) which took part in the first cruise, accompanied by the nuclear-powered guided missile cruisers USS Truxtun (CGN-35) and USS Arkansas (CGN-41). U.S. Navy photo and as consequence in public domain, took from Wikipedia Commons and from the USS Enterprise (CVN-65) 1986 cruise book available at Navysite.de. This scenario is inspired and based in the article by Joseph Giuda "Harpoon Scenario: Hunting the Bear", published in the Harpoon SITREP 66, April 2024, but very expanded. The initial idea is very simple (read the Harpoon SITREP 66 article for more details): World War III started suddenly everywhere, and both sides forces are trapped in far places, long away of the main European theatre of operations, as reminiscence of many Imperial Germany naval forces at the World War I start. On this concrete case, the Soviet guided missile cruiser Slava (Sistership of Moskva, sunk by Ukrainian forces in 2022) currently on the Gulf of Aden and her escorts and all available forces in the region are ordered to neutralize or bottle up the USS Enterprise meagre CVBG, itself pretending to transit from the Red Sea through the Bab el-Mandeb Strait on the Indian Ocean. Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states are neutralized by a Soviet nuclear blackmail, have lost the control of its own air space, and its forces can't support the Blue side neither prevent the use of its air space by the Red side. Last but not least by years I was interested, and very ignorant, on the Yemen history (Also a very interesting country in the ancient era, with a wonderful architecture), its perpetual turmoil, its complex society and civil wars, its current times with Houties successful perturbing the maritime traffic even with the first use of operational ASBM, and many times thinking on design some Yemen civil wars scenario. At last I do it on this scenario, with the additional surprise found in the research of the original scenario, as it occurred just few months after the South Yemen "events" of January, 13, 1986 and the consecutive People's Democratic Republic of Yemen/PDRY (South Yemen) civil war actions, when PDRYAF lost a 75% of its assets, and the consequent limitation of its capabilities. A complex, surprisingly balanced and delicate scenario, pretended to be historically accurate about the possible historical forces, enjoy! Enrique Mas, August 24, 2024. Submitter broncepulido Submitted 08/24/2024 Category Middle East  

Great report, thanks for sharing! As I did say yesterday, was a very improvised (in two hours!) test scenario, it was growing for itself, and only adding very few details was converted in a complete little scenario, but very changelling and funny. Also, I'm very surprised as the outcomes are mostly coincidental with the real life situation, as great need of SAMs replishement, as the SAMs (added almost casually) master the battlefield and conditioned the aircraft courses, and as surprisingly the very shorter ranged AIM-120B (40 nm range in my modified DB) can be employed by the F-16AM undetected against fighters carrying R-37M (214 nm range in my modified DB), finishing almost in a draw most times in this scenario (play tested by me some 20 times, both sides). In fact, a very satisfying and unexpected mini-scenario outcomes.

Some sources: - Contemporary events reports. - Many daily works (and Helion Books) of Tom Cooper, on FaceBook and other media: https://www.facebook.com/keksifarm.hayday

Notes on some platforms: - Are employed ex Dutch F-16AM in representation of all the aircrafts transferred from other NATO countries (just today I read few minutes ago in the Ukrainian Air Force entry on Wikipedia, are ten F-16 now delivered). Are armed only with the old AIM-9M and AIM-120B, as apparently are the first ones delivered. - The SA-5c SAM (Very few produced) deployed in "offensive mode" represents old SA-5b updated by the Ukrainians. - From mid-2022 Russian Su-35S and Su-30SM are carrying as routine one AS-17/Kh-31PD anti-radar missile added to its usual anti-air loadouts, to attack opportunity targets of Air Defense systems (apparently less in use in mid-2024, perhaps the war stock has been depleted) - From mid-2022? not only MIG-31, but also Su-35S are equipped with the extra long range AA-13/R-37M active radar homing air-to-air missile, apparently achieving some kills at its maximum range of 214 nautical miles. AA-13/R-37M is also carried by the Su-30SM from probably early 2024.

View File Ukrainian Falcons, August 2024. Hypothetical Scenario. Ukrainian Falcons, August 2024. Hypothetical Scenario. A Harpoon Commander's Edition scenario for EC2003 Battle for the Mediterranean Battleset and the HCDB2-170909 (or later) 1980-2025 era Platform Database. This scenario is designed with Advanced Scenario Editor Build 2017.013 and to be run with HCE 2015.008+ or later. This scenario is designed to be played from the Blue/Ukrainian/NATO side or from the Red/Russian. You should play a few times first the Blue side to avoid spoilers, and only later play the Red side. Image: A Ukrainian Tupolev Tu-22M3 (NATO-Codename: Backfire-C) bomber is dismantled through assistance provided by the Cooperative Threat Reduction Program implemented by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, November 12, 2002. Depend on Russia and its consecutive nuclear disarmament was probably the greatest error of the Ukrainian history. Photo by an US serviceperson on duty, and in consequence in public domain, took from Wikipedia Commons. From the eventful year of 2014 (Mainly from the Russian invasion of Crimea) the world was beginning clearly the so-called Second Cold War, the President of Russia Vladimir Putin (ex-KGB lieutenant colonel) was showing clearly his plan to recover the Russian Empire including previous Soviet territories for reinstitute the greatness of "his" Russia, and to guarantee his passage on the History as saviour of the Rodina. After the massive Russian build-up of forces from late 2021 in Russia and Belarus near the Ukrainian border, NATO forces were forced to an increased and constant deployment near Ukraine and the Eastern Mediterranean, to deterrent Putin's ambition. The probably original plan was to avoid an intervention by NATO ground forces but preventing the Russian main forces to enter Ukrainian territory, and to get this target to establish an air and sea exclusion zone around and over Ukraine. But at last, on February 24, 2022, Russian forces invaded Ukraine against most forecast, sinking the world in a new state of international relations, as consequence of a long and failed campaign of unexpected outcomes, extended more than two years at this moment. After that time, the Ukrainian Air Force is almost depleted of effective aircrafts, and at last at late July 2024, and after a long preparation, the first F-16AM/BM begin to arrive in Ukraine. They come from many NATO countries, mostly Denmark, Netherlands, Norway and Denmark, and were update in the early 2000, expected to receive between 79 and 129. But they came apparently supplied with older models of AIM-9M Sidewinder and AIM-120B AMRAAM, not with state of art AIM-9X-2 or AIM-120C-7. Many speculated at the Russian invasion start about NATO establishing an air exclusion zone over Ukraine, but that time was over after the first days of war. This scenario is very simple and mainly abstract and hypothetical, and not based in the real (secret!) placement of the Ukrainian F-16AM. I started it as a simple test of capabilities developed in only two or three hours (After some days of thinking on it), and grow a little, and decided to publish it as tribute to the Ukrainian resistance against the invader. Enrique Mas, August 7, 2024. Submitter broncepulido Submitted 08/07/2024 Category MEDC  

incredible!