Requests for the HCDB (Official DB of HCE) and HCDB2

[CV32]

Just a great job on the DB, Brad!

Thanks. You guys keep kicking out the scenarios, so ...

 

My request this time is for a USAF F-15C with AAW weaponry upgraded to AIM-120C and AIM-9x. It's just embarrassing to put the Eagle in the backseat to F-16s when it comes to considering intercept missions!

 

OK, looks like the availability of compatible loadouts makes it possible for me to build:

 

- F-15C Block 39

- F-15J Eagle Plus

- F-15C/D Akef (Buzzard)

- F-15C Golden Eagle

 

That oughta do it, yes ?

[CV32]

Addressing some previous requests ...

 

Australia is working on a new LPD (three ships in the class, to enter service 2010-2012)

I don't think I have enough info on this program just yet, but I would be pleased to accept whatever you can dredge up.

 

France is building a third Forbin-class ship

 

Hmm, I don't recall hearing anything about a third French Horizon. Are you sure ?

 

France is also starting a new class, the Fregates d'Action Navale; first ship goes into service in 2008; it looks like they're going to build a bunch of these

Are you referring to the joint French-Italian FREMM (Frégates Européenne Multi-Missions) program ? More details have emerged since the contract signature this past November, enough to probably merit DB entries.

 

France is also building a new class of subs, the Barracuda, but the first one only becomes available in 2014

 

Not quite enough info yet. I'm keeping an eye on it, though.

 

India will be getting a bunch of Scorpene submarines starting 2011 (I think these are the same class as the Spanish S-80)

Yeah, service entry is still some ways off, but there are probably enough details floating around now. Ditto for the Malaysian Scorpenes.

 

Israel is building several Saar V light frigates, but it's not clear when they will be delivered

 

Are you talking about the Eilat (Sa'ar V) class ? These are already in the HCDB.

 

Japan is building four 18,000-ton DDH (i.e., a small helicopter carrier, but they seem to think the DD part is going to fool people...)

 

I will look at this.

[Mgellis]

Addressing some previous requests ...

 

Australia is working on a new LPD (three ships in the class, to enter service 2010-2012)

 

I don't think I have enough info on this program just yet, but I would be pleased to accept whatever you can dredge up.

 

France is building a third Forbin-class ship

Hmm, I don't recall hearing anything about a third French Horizon. Are you sure ?

 

France is also starting a new class, the Fregates d'Action Navale; first ship goes into service in 2008; it looks like they're going to build a bunch of these

 

Are you referring to the joint French-Italian FREMM (Frégates Européenne Multi-Missions) program ? More details have emerged since the contract signature this past November, enough to probably merit DB entries.

 

France is also building a new class of subs, the Barracuda, but the first one only becomes available in 2014

Not quite enough info yet. I'm keeping an eye on it, though.

 

India will be getting a bunch of Scorpene submarines starting 2011 (I think these are the same class as the Spanish S-80)

 

Yeah, service entry is still some ways off, but there are probably enough details floating around now. Ditto for the Malaysian Scorpenes.

 

Israel is building several Saar V light frigates, but it's not clear when they will be delivered

Are you talking about the Eilat (Sa'ar V) class ? These are already in the HCDB.

 

Japan is building four 18,000-ton DDH (i.e., a small helicopter carrier, but they seem to think the DD part is going to fool people...)

 

I will look at this.

 

Brad,

 

The original URL that I cited earlier on global shipbuilding appears, much to my annoyance, to have disappeared. This is what I've been able to track down for the various ships I mentioned...

 

The third (and fourth) Forbin frigate...cancelled! Please see the following URL for details...

 

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/ar...s/20051009.aspx

 

But, here is some information for the FREMM...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FREMM_multipurpose_frigates

 

http://www.deagel.com/pandora/fremm_pm00189001.aspx

 

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/wor...urope/fremm.htm

 

Australian LPH...I downloaded a pdf on Australian naval shipbuilding plans, but there wasn't much information there beyond their intention to have two large amphibious ships of some kind by 2015. Sorry.

 

new Israeli Sa'ar Vs...I can't find anything on this. Perhaps it was simply a rumor. Again, sorry.

 

I did discover a minor error with some of the helicopters in the HCDB. The Dauphin (SA 365 C) does not appear to be armed; I think it only has SAR and Ferry loadouts. This is what the Israeli navy flies, as far as I can tell. I also do not think there is an F model, which is what is listed in the HCDB. The armed model is the Panther, which appears to have a couple of different sub-types with different missions. (I also have to apologize because I think I was the one who originally sent you the faulty information.) Here are the URLs...

 

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/wor...ope/dauphin.htm

 

http://www.answers.com <-- type in Eurocopter Dauphin and Eurocopter Panther to get to the articles

 

I hope all this helps.

 

Mark

[CV32]

I did discover a minor error with some of the helicopters in the HCDB.  The Dauphin (SA 365 C) does not appear to be armed; I think it only has SAR and Ferry loadouts.  This is what the Israeli navy flies, as far as I can tell.  I also do not think there is an F model, which is what is listed in the HCDB.  The armed model is the Panther, which appears to have a couple of different sub-types with different missions.  (I also have to apologize because I think I was the one who originally sent you the faulty information.)  Here are the URLs...

 

Mark,

The SA365F Dauphin 2 is the armed version flown by at least France, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. It has ASuW and ASW loadouts. If you would like other variants of the Dauphin included, I can look at this, as long as they don't require building any new loadouts. Oh, and the Panther is also already in there.

[Mgellis]

I did discover a minor error with some of the helicopters in the HCDB.  The Dauphin (SA 365 C) does not appear to be armed; I think it only has SAR and Ferry loadouts.  This is what the Israeli navy flies, as far as I can tell.  I also do not think there is an F model, which is what is listed in the HCDB.  The armed model is the Panther, which appears to have a couple of different sub-types with different missions.  (I also have to apologize because I think I was the one who originally sent you the faulty information.)  Here are the URLs...

 

Mark,

The SA365F Dauphin 2 is the armed version flown by at least France, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. It has ASuW and ASW loadouts. If you would like other variants of the Dauphin included, I can look at this, as long as they don't require building any new loadouts. Oh, and the Panther is also already in there.

 

Okay, my mistake. Sorry. I was confused because various sources disagree (one source specifically lists the Aerospatiale SA.365F Dauphin II as an unarmed SAR helicopter). That source is http://www.military.ie/aircorps/dauphin.htm

 

Yes, if it is possible, please add the unarmed SAR version of the Dauphin (it is or was used by Ireland, Israel, and various other countries). You can probably just use the Patrol loadout for the HH-65. Or would it be more realistic to just add the Patrol loadout to the version of the Dauphin that's already in the database? (Of course, then you have to remind people not to use armed loadouts, depending on the scenario, so maybe it's better to have a separate unarmed version.)

 

I can't tell if the unarmed version of the Dauphin has a radar or not. Here is a technical document about it, if you are interested...

 

http://www.eurocopter.com/site/FO/doc/Tech..._365N2_2001.pdf

 

Speaking of the H-65, I don't know if it would be practical to add this loadout to the database, but there was an article about them arming them with machine guns...

 

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_...308/ai_n9278847

 

(This is not a high priority request...just something I thought you'd find interesting. If it's not practical to add this loadout, don't worry about it.)

 

Thanks.

 

Mark

 

P.S. Just so you know, your efforts on the last database will be included in my next scenario, as it involves Australia (with S-70Bs on one of their Adelaides FFGs) trying to stop a Soviet convoy from reaching Jakarta.

[Herman]

Any chance for the Ternopil corvette mentioned here?

[CV32]

Any chance for the Ternopil corvette mentioned here?

 

Interesting, but that's pretty sparse info. Got something a little more concrete ?

[CV32]

Found a picture. Looks like a Grisha, which is nothing particularly new. Any further information would be appreciated.

[Mgellis]

Dear Brad,

 

A few more suggestions for the next version of the HCDB...

 

The British navy has several hydrographic survey ships. I don't know if any of these would be appropriate for "spy ships that need to be rescued before someone sinks them" scenarios, but if they are, here is the link so they can be added to the database...

 

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server.php?show=nav.1842

 

France's Bougainville electronic surveillance ship

Information at Hazegray.org

 

T-AGOS 19 Victorious

Swath-S (Small) Ocean Surveillance Ship

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/sys...ip/tagos-19.htm

 

T-AGOS 1 Stalwart

Ocean Surveillance Ship

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/sys...hip/tagos-1.htm

 

Various other survey ships are listed at the URL below. Again, I don't know if any of these would make good "spy ships that need to be rescued," but if they are, perhaps they could be added to the database...

 

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/sys...ship/index.html

 

While we are on the subject of spy ships...have minehunters or other small patrol boats ever been rigged with extra electronic equipment and used as spy ships? (Again, I'm looking for good "rescue me" or "can I sneak in and snoop around without getting killed?" candidates for scenarios.)

 

Thanks.

 

Mark

[Mgellis]

Dear Brad,

 

Just to add a little flavor for some scenarios I'm thinking about, could you add the following NAMES to the following existing classes of ships.

 

Thanks.

 

Mark

 

-----cut here-----

 

INTL MRCH Fishing Vessel

 

Fayina

Marina <-- Russian for "from the sea"

Nadya

Orlenda <-- Russian for "eagle," apparantly (good for a hunter of fish)

Sonya

Shino <-- Japanese for "stem of bamboo" (good for a fishing boat, I figure)

Kameko

Rei

Nami

 

(i.e., Russian and Japanese girls getting in trouble...there are lots of scenario possibilities here, I think)

 

INTL MRCH Merchant

 

Duscha

Feodora

Natalya

Stefanya

Thedya

Ursula

Valeska

Mars

Venus

Jupiter

Bahati

Makemba

Zawadi

Kimi

Masako

Natsuko

Yoshiko

Yumiko

Chan Juan

Jiang Li

Lin Yao

Shu Fang

Xiao Hong

 

INTL TANK Tanker

 

Balinda

Kibibi

Monifa

Zahara

Anya

Nikita

Olga

Svetlana

Vasya

Velika

[Mgellis]

Dear Brad,

 

I just downloaded the newest version of the HCDB. Excellent additions. And, with all the different versions of the F-16 and similar aircraft, thanks for letting people know (in the description blurbs) when they came into service, otherwise it might have been a bit confusing!

 

It's funny, I was just thinking we should add bases for countries like Armenia, Laos, etc., but I knew there was a problem adding new installations so I didn't mention it.

 

Minor "bug"...the very last dozen ships or so still do not appear in the main Display window, but they show up fine if you select the "blank" unit and then click the Display button; also, they show up fine in the Edit Group window. This is only a minor inconvenience, but I thought you should know.

 

Again, thanks for all your work on this.

 

Mark

[divefreak]

It's funny, I was just thinking we should add bases for countries like Armenia, Laos, etc., but I knew there was a problem adding new installations so I didn't mention it.

Any Wishes for the European DB?

Cause I found some time to work on it.

HCDB Entries for Europe will be added automatically.

 

BTW I´ll add 2 Variants of the German IDS Tornado, Airforce and NAVY and the RCCE Loadout

 

Regards René

[Mgellis]

Dear Brad,

 

A few more requests for the HCDB, if you get time...

 

Information for most of these is on the HazeGray site.

 

INTL Downed pilot <-- for rescue missions!

 

(I’m not sure if this should be a ship or a land unit; too bad it can’t “join” with a helicopter...that would allow for some interesting drama)

 

INTL Lifeboat <-- for rescue missions!

 

INTL Pacific Forum class small patrol boats

 

(used by Fiji, Micronesia, Papua New Guinea, and other countries, weapons vary by country, so you might need to add each country’s versions)

 

Tunisia Utique class (Type 62-1) small patrol boats

 

(I think the weapons are different than the regular Shanghai PG)

 

Morocco Lt. De Vaisseau Rabhi (Vigilance) class large patrol boats

Morocco Commandant Al Khattabi class large patrol boats

 

Croatia Kralj Petar Kresimir IV class missile boats

Croatia Sibenic (Koncar class) missile boat

 

Papua NG Vosper type small patrol boats

Papua NG Balikpapan class utility landing craft

 

As you can see, we're moving into the low end of what will work in Harpoon Classic (small boats only armed with machine guns), but there are some good scenarios that could be created with these.

 

Also, should the SA342L Gazelle be ship-capable? It currently is not.

 

Thanks.

 

Mark

[Mgellis]

Dear Brad,

 

I just noticed this...

 

Could you add the F-5 A/B and F-5 E/F for Morocco and the F-5 E/F for Malaysia? The INTL version of these aircraft no longer seems to be in the HCDB. Also, I don't see versions for Jordan, Yemen, Tunisia, and (although I don't think we will need it very often) Switzerland.

 

On the other hand, you never know about the Swiss.

 

(Actually, were they still being used by the U.S. in the Cold War? Maybe we need U.S. versions, too.)

 

Thanks.

 

Mark

[divefreak]

Could you add the F-5 A/B and F-5 E/F for Morocco and the F-5 E/F for Malaysia? The INTL version of these aircraft no longer seems to be in the HCDB. (although I don't think we will need it very often) Switzerland.

On the other hand, you never know about the Swiss.

If you want to create a European Scen, maybe it is an good idea to try out my Euro_DB, because it still has a lot of space even for installations. Only 40% or so of the annex is in Use!