Playing HCE, GIUK scenario "Gatekeeper." Question has to do with Unit and Group screen differences. I have two single-sub units with sub in the center of the formation. One shows in the Group screen that it is the middle of Iceland and Norway, yet the Unit menu shows it running aground in Norway. The second is 269 nm from a red contact in the Group screen, yet in the Unit screen it is 10 nm away and able to attack. It's also moving at 22 degrees in one screen and 244 in the other.

Playing HCE, GIUK scenario "Gatekeeper." Question has to do with Unit and Group screen differences. I have two single-sub units with sub in the center of the formation. One shows in the Group screen that it is the middle of Iceland and Norway, yet the Unit menu shows it running aground in Norway. The second is 269 nm from a red contact in the Group screen, yet in the Unit screen it is 10 nm away and able to attack. It's also moving at 22 degrees in one screen and 244 in the other.

 

Look at your formation editor for that particular unit. Chances are the unit is in an outer ring of the formation, probably many miles from the center.

 

For best chances of matching group and unit maps, the unit should be in the center of the formation (although this may not always suit your needs).

And there are bugs with formation keeping so if someone runs aground I could imagine the two displays becoming wildly out of sync over the course of a scenario.

Formation editor shows unit in main group, dead center. I had thought of that. Even so, the distance in the formation of that single-sub formation was 16 miles, not more than 200.

Formation editor shows unit in main group, dead center. I had thought of that. Even so, the distance in the formation of that single-sub formation was 16 miles, not more than 200.

 

Formation editor shows a number of icons. There is always one dead center. That is not an actual unit. There is also another icon for each actual unit. Not saying that this is the issue, but ...

Sounds to me like it is time for a saved game so we can all have a look-see. It would be much appreciated if you can come up with one Damascus, zip it and upload it in a post here. Thanks!

Formation editor shows a number of icons. There is always one dead center. That is not an actual unit. There is also another icon for each actual unit. Not saying that this is the issue, but ...

 

That's only true if the formation is for an Installation. Submarine, ship and mobile land unit groups can have formations without any unit at the center.

Formation editor shows a number of icons. There is always one dead center. That is not an actual unit. There is also another icon for each actual unit. Not saying that this is the issue, but ...

 

That's only true if the formation is for an Installation. Submarine, ship and mobile land unit groups can have formations without any unit at the center.

 

I think he was referring to the fact that there's always an *icon* at the center of the formation editor window, even if there's no unit actually in the main body area. That can be misleading if you're not used to it, and it wasn't that way pre-HCE, or at least pre-HC97, since I missed out on that.

I think he was referring to the fact that there's always an *icon* at the center of the formation editor window, even if there's no unit actually in the main body area. That can be misleading if you're not used to it, and it wasn't that way pre-HCE, or at least pre-HC97, since I missed out on that.

 

Yes, I think you're right. Don't mind me. Too much stuff being processed here today.

Went to get saved game, but when I loaded the icons were where they should be. Something fixed itself because the submarine icon was inside Norway and I got a "sub ran aground" message. Now it's well out near Iceland, where the unit icon is.

Went to get saved game, but when I loaded the icons were where they should be. Something fixed itself because the submarine icon was inside Norway and I got a "sub ran aground" message. Now it's well out near Iceland, where the unit icon is.

 

Glad to hear it.

Problem returned. Sub unit AM00 is not near AMU by hundreds of miles. I thought the unit comprising AMU is numbered AM00. But AM00 is far to the west of AMU. I tried to upload the saved game but got a message saying I'm not allowed to upload that type of file. *.hp1

Problem returned. Sub unit AM00 is not near AMU by hundreds of miles. I thought the unit comprising AMU is numbered AM00. But AM00 is far to the west of AMU. I tried to upload the saved game but got a message saying I'm not allowed to upload that type of file. *.hp1

 

I believe you need to zip it first (right clicking on file in Windows brings up context-sensitive menu, allows compressing).

OK, here it is. (Can't upload a .rar, but can a .zip). Look between Iceland and Greenland in the UNIT window for sub AM00, just south of AKU (and AK00). Then look in the GROUP window for sub group AMU, which consists of one sub in the center of the formation. It's NE of Iceland, at least 300 miles from where it should be.

Gatekeeper.zip

OK, here it is. (Can't upload a .rar, but can a .zip). Look between Iceland and Greenland in the UNIT window for sub AM00, just south of AKU (and AK00). Then look in the GROUP window for sub group AMU, which consists of one sub in the center of the formation. It's NE of Iceland, at least 300 miles from where it should be.

I can see what you mean, nearly 300 mile off station. Its running full speed (17 kts) so would have taken quite some time to et there if it started off correctly in formation. In the formation editor things look OK except that the sub isn't there and in the unit window it isn't even heading toward its patrol point. If you reassign patrol sector (in formation editor) it turns and heads correctly.

I've never seen this before and can't fathom it, interested to see what gets turned up.

Don