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File - HCCW-140314 (1950-75 era)

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  • Because I know you will write scenarios with these (and that is the single-most important factor at play here), I will make an exception and include these post 1975, (in)famous platforms.

  • All this work on the HCCW database makes a guy want to watch The Bridges at Toko-Ri.

  • Heh, yes, definitely an error there. I will look at it and you can expect a fix in the next version.

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A few minor errors or typos in the HCCW database:

 

Fairey Gannet variants are equipped with 10 sonobuoys (a number closer to the number of SB carried by similiar size contemporary ASW planes), not a scarce 4

Thanks.

 

Entry 2887, Netherlands CVL Karel Doorman (58) has plane capacity=0 !!!

Typo.

 

Some confusion in the guns and loadouts of the Australian Sabre variants: Loadout 55324 should to be deleted from the entry 10253 Sabre Mk 32 and from the entry 10254 Sabre Mk 31 and restored to MG armament for his continued use with the F-86F (it's employed by all the F-86F Sabre). Entry 10254 Sabre Mk 31 should be simply reequipped with the 55296 loadout of the entry 10253 Sabre Mk 32.

Not understanding this one. The AIM-9B did not become available until 1960, hence the guns only loadout option.

 

Entry 10307 Sea Hawk FB.3 lacks the carrier capable flag.

Oops. Thanks.

 

Entry 2497, CA Salem (1960) (Sometimes called Des Moines class) is equipped with 152mm Mk16 guns in triple turrets, she should be equipped with 203mm/55 Mk16 guns (I think it was only for sake of simplicity, they're not present any type of 203mm gun in the DB). Observe not all the Des Moines class CA are equipped with Mk16 guns, are others with Mk15 guns ... Also, we can add the shipname Salem to the entry, she was decommissioned as late as 30 January 1959.

Certainly wasn't for convenience, or to save mount entries. Just looked at 'Mk16' and thought it was a gun we already had in the DB. Totally missed that it was 8 inch. Thanks.

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Some very few minor errors or typos in the HCCW-130530 database:

 

Entry 3023 La Galissionere lacks sensors.

 

Entry 60251 100mm/55 M1945 stb lacks ammo.

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Some other research about the HCCW-130530:

 

About American missile cruisers:

Baltimore-class heavy cruiser Boston (and Canberra) missile conversion and derivatives (entries 2493, 2494, 2495, 2496) should be equipped with 203mm Mk15 guns, with 3-4 rounds per minute rate of fire (not Mk16, with 10 rpm), they're erroneously equipped with 152mm guns in the DB, as was in the Salem case.

The 2x76mm twin mounts should be a total of 4, not 6.

Also, as per picture evidence in navysource.org, the 76mm were keep to the ship decomm.

Also, the each twin Terrier launcher in Boston and Canberra should be armed with 72 missiles (not 36), for a total of 144 Terrier missiles, as states Conway's and other sources.

The Terrier missile types carried by Canberra and Boston to the end of her career should be limited to the RIM-2A/B BW-0/1 (Beam Rider-Wing control), as per picture evidence.

 

USS Galveston CLG variants (2547, 2548, 2549) lacks another 152mm Mk16 triple fwd as B mount.

 

Albany class variants (2479, 2480, 2481, 2482) lack the RIM-8 Talos magazines below deck, with another 2x29 RIM-8 Talos on each ship (now are only equipped with the 23xTalos above deck in-mount missiles)

 

The Belknap (And Truxtun) variants should be armed with 2x1 76mm/50 Mk34 single mounts, not 2x2 76mm/50 Mk33 twin mounts.

 

The Charles F. Adams variants have her Tartar/Standard Mk11(twin arm) and Mk13 (single arm) missile launchers interchanged. The older ships (DDG-2 to 14) should have the Mk11 (twin arm, 42 missiles) launcher, and the newer ships (DDG-15 to 24) the Mk13 (single arm, same rate of fire, 40 missiles).

 

The radars are ever a compromise, difficult to trace even in individual ships (navsource.org is a very good and easy source), and some types are very proclive to identification errour, and I don't want to deep on it.

But one of the few clear issues is this: some cruisers are equipped at same time with SPS-37 and SPS-43 radars.

I think, after some study and reading Norman Friedman "Naval Radar", they are two long range AS radars replacement sequences, with very similar or technically identical antennas in some types:

 

SPS-17 (employed in CLG, range 233, P=D45) to SPS-37 (r=233, PD=55) to SPS-43 (r=300, PD=60; square bedstead in the three types) as employed in DLG frigates reclassified in 1975 as CG and small converted missile cruisers/CLG.

 

SPS-17A (employed only in YAGR,range 300, PH=45) to SPS-37A (r=300, PD=55) to SPS-43A (r=300, PD=60; very elongated rectangular antenna in the three types), as employed in aircraft carriers, large missile cruisers, as Albany-class (CG-10 to 12), Long Beach CGN-9, Los Angeles, Boston and Canberra (CAG-1 to CAG-2) or converted Galveston CLG-3 to CLG-8.

 

As conclusion the simultaneous presence of SPS-17, SPS-17A, SPS-37, SPS-37A, SPS-43 or SPS-43A in the same ship at the same time is incompatible (the range and PD values are only my estimates).

None of the USS Long Beach CGN-9 variants is present! (One of my all-time favorite ships!).

 

Type 82 Bristol (configuration 1973-1981) it's not present.

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Type 82 Bristol (configuration 1973-1981) it's not present.

HMS Bristol wasn't accepted for service until 1978, but I've included her anyway due to the 1973 commissioning date.

 

Any further requests before I release the next iteration?

Mmmm, at this time mainly in doubt about to include 1976-1979 platforms, as CVH Kiev and Yak-38 Forger, to close the circle and to build some scenarios based on the Fleet (Sixth Fleet, etc.) series of games ...

Aside the previously mentioned:

Ka-25Ts Hormone-B (1967-1995?), as target designator and search in missile cruisers and other Soviet warships.

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Mmmm, at this time mainly in doubt about to include 1976-1979 platforms, as CVH Kiev and Yak-38 Forger, to close the circle and to build some scenarios based on the Fleet (Sixth Fleet, etc.) series of games ...

 

Because I know you will write scenarios with these (and that is the single-most important factor at play here), I will make an exception and include these post 1975, (in)famous platforms. B)

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Beware, the AS-7 Kerry Kh-23 and Kh-23M variants lack the command guidance, ship attack and land attack flags!

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Beware, the AS-7 Kerry Kh-23 and Kh-23M variants lack the command guidance, ship attack and land attack flags!

 

Oops, sorry about that. I will put up a fixed version later in the week.

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