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http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/pop...14&src=news You know they look defeated but their probably still getting better chow then if they were at home.

Mach 3 all that kinetic energy on impact even before the charge goes off with a good range and it can be launched from a fighter, this think is bad bad news.

I would say maybe the creq could help out and go on some kind of super diet to help out, but heck there's only like 30~40 of them not even enough for a full football team (American not the other one)

Kinda weird for her to run aground and get stuck bad enough that it took 8 tugs if she was just floating along to drop people off...

You think they were letting the guest rear admiral handle the wheel, for the sakes of the captain I hope so.

They have to be on station for a few hours but I will recheck the victory conditions, to be honest I have only managed to get tot victory once myself.

File Name: Lisbon We Have A Problem (Old Friends Part 2) File Submitter: eclipse_trb File Submitted: 3 Feb 2009 File Updated: 4 Feb 2009 File Category: WestPac DB Used: HCDB Authors: eclipse_trb Battleset-WPac: .scq - WPac - WestPac This is a continuation of my previous scenario found here: http://harpgamer.com/harpforum/index.php?a...mp;showfile=266 This is version 2 of this scenario it has been changed due to running aground problems and orders rewritten since version one orders were written on very little sleep geography was off Sorry The military of Indonesia has decided that the experiment of Democracy is a failure. Ever since the last elections nothing good has come of it. The country has lost the lands in East Timor due to outside pressures. Piracy and corruption is an ever increasing problem and slowly there have been hints that some of the furthest island from the capital may seek to split off. General Djoko Santoso has taken control after a short and bloody coup and has begun to reorganize the military. So far there has been little resistance but the army has suffered from spending cuts over the years and will take time to mobilize. The navy and some of the air force units that were being used for anti piracy are well trained and funded; they only needed a target... Before being taken over by Indonesia at one point East Timor was a Portuguese colony and now that it is again independent ties are starting to form with its former colonial master. Since East Timor as gained independence from Indonesia it has had the support of both Portuguese and Australian forces and governments and both nations have maintained small garrisons there. While traveling on a friendship cruise the Corte Real group of the Portuguese navy came under attack in international waters by Indonesian forces and forced to defend itself. What follows are exerts from a briefing given to the media. The Corte Real group was able to fight its way to Dili East Timor but in the process the light frigate NRP Joao Coutinho was lost with all hands on board. Not since The Battle of Surigao Strait as there been a naval battle of this type and the young Portuguese sailors fought like men possessed. While the other ships of the small group were all damaged they managed to make port at Dili and in the process destroy or force to retire from the field at least 10 Indonesian ships. Also the small detachment of training aircraft of the Australian Air Force was able to destroy Indonesian ground troops on their way to the Timorese Capital and with the help of aircraft from the Australian mainland they managed to down various attack aircraft attempting to attack Dili itself. Lisbon we Have a Problem **Captains Log of NRP Afonso Cerqueira** Once Corte Real made it to Dili everything got pretty quiet we sent the AO due east to get it away and it managed to get into Australian waters. According to Lisbon the Indonesians are ignoring calls from everybody not just us. After 4 days we began to relax a bit and it seems that was our downfall. A sub seems to have gotten in close and tried to put a torp into the Corte Real, luckily it exploded in the mud but it was close enough that it bent the hell out of her shaft and he is dead in the water. We managed to secure the services of a Tug and are now waiting for the Vasco de Gama group to enter the area from the Persian Gulf, if she can run cover for us and keep the Indonesians busy we may be able to sneak out the back door. **** The European Union has decided to begin talks of sanctions against Indonesia but at this time there is to be no military action taken. Even Australia seems to be backing down slightly from its earlier stance and decided not to provide any additional military aircraft or surface combatants then those already involved. The United States Diplomat to Portugal mentioned something off key about the Chinese situation but would not elaborate and only said that at this time they would be monitoring the situation but would not get involved. Orders: Corte Real group is to head south into the Joseph Bonaparte Gulf where the group will be in range of Australian fighters to make sure the Indonesians can't finish the Corte Real once and for all. The good news is the Portuguese President himself ordered a jet loaded with Harpoons and other necessities to replenish the group and we will be fully loaded. The Australian navy has also supplied us with 2 Helicopters and crews and they will be flying off the Afonso Cerqueira. The Timorese "Navy" has sent out two ships to try to help us leave the area. **Top Secret Vasco da Gama Group Commander Eyes Only** After the cowardly attacks on our ships Lisbon has decided to send a message that will be clearly understood. Your mission will meet two goals, first you will draw attention from the Corte Real so he can make it to safety and secondly you will force the Indonesians to pick up the damn phone and talk to us. You will take your group sail into the Sunda Straight and get into visual range of Java Once there you will fire a few star shells over any Merchant Indonesian vessels and destroy any Indonesian Naval ships this should make our meaning understood. ** It also has been decided that before the Indonesians can destroy or damage the Dili airport that the New President of East Timor will be flown home. He is currently waiting at Tindal Air Base you are to give orders to the crew of the transport that brought our supplies from Portugal to fly to Tindal pick up the Timorese President and fly back to Dili as quickly as possible. Once the aircraft has dropped him off it should fly back to Tindal ASAP, the Portuguese President cannot afford the loss of political capital after ordering this aircraft into the area if it's shot down or destroyed on the ground. Intel: According to our sources both Indonesian subs are operating, the one that attacked Corte Real was heard escaping towards the west of Dili and their second unit according to Intel supplied by the Americans maybe in the Sunda straight. There are about 14 surface combatants in operation but information is very sporadic. The Indonesian Air Force seems to have been caught somewhat by surprise and have not been able to recoup their losses from earlier actions. They have begun to pull some aircraft out of mothballs but its unknown if they have the pilots to fly them or their quality. Scenario Notes: **Tug and ship under Tow rules follow: The Corte Real cannot move on its own. If the Tug is operational you can use 16 knots as the maximum speed for the group. If the Tug is destroyed then Afonso Cerqueira will take on the tow line and the maximum group speed is reduces to 5 knots. If both the Afonso Cerqueira and Tug are lost the Corte Real is dead in the water and may not move unless you manage to move the Vasco da Gama group in join them together and continue the tow south at a top speed of 5 knots. ** The Deepak is an Indian replenishment ship; the Indian government was helpful in refueling the Vasco da Gama group overnight. It is our hope the Indonesians don't find out about this and that she can get out of the area unnoticed. To achieve maximum victory conditions The Vasco da Gama group will have to reach its destination off the coast of Java and the Corte Real will need to reach the Gulf of Joseph Bonaparte. Time on Station is set for 2 or 3 hours. Also I suggest you do not use the auto air patrol for some reason I could not set them up properly for blue Thanks. Click here to download this file

Actually I was thinking about this the other day do you think they bother calling up NASA or DOD or at least the Russians and telling them they are going to launch a missile, I mean a rocket with a peaceful payload or does everything just hit the sh*t every time they do something like this. I know during the cold war it was usually common courtesy to tell our friends and foes of missile/rocket launches just so nobody got the wrong idea and did something stupid/fatal/biblical. Also has the F15 ASAT (ASM-135) project totally killed off, did they scrap the missiles? Did they ever come up with another air launched variant?

I love how they always claim the double standard, yes Japan, Brazil and a few others have working or are working on space programs but they aren't working on building nukes at the same time and have complete transparency. Another important point is most nations don't sponsor terrorist groups and swear to wipe other nations off the map. Anybody know if we got any of the anti satellite missiles still laying around might make a good test target.

I think if this is true and something happens things could get very bad very quickly. Wouldn't surprise me if the whole of Gaza became reoccupied for a period of time if Israel lost a combat ship.

The British press only care about Korean people if they're female, famous and not wearing many clothes. Wow I wish the American press would care even that much ( No I really do wish they cared exactly that much , but we are too busy being in love with our new pres. to care about anything else.

They should start by volunteering peace keepers for such wonderful places such as The Gaza Strip, Somalia, Congo etc where so many of their wonderful products are purchased by the combatants.

Wow a new ARM this is like 20+ year in the making

The 3 Kilos are the only real threats to shipping unless they totally went bonkers and did a first strike killing a few supertankers or a lucky kill on a CV in the straights with SSM's in hopes of closing them off for a little while. Could always go old school with some mines if the Russians wanted to make sure the price of oil went back up they could supply them with some good quality sub launched mines those would be very bad news.

Would also depend on cost of building stuff in China VS USA especially labor costs, an American engineer at Lockheed might make a very good 6 figure income whos cost is put into the weapon while his Chinese counterpart working in a state run weapons plant would make significantly less. Its not just actual dollars (rubells, yan, pesos etc) but what that money gets you.

Good read

I think the Canadian pilots who sneakily died testing the faulty tail of the F-18 while believing they were flying production planes on patrol would disagree it's just the Russians So would the US airmen who shared the same fate as those Canucks Wasn't really comparing their tests capabilities to the Western powers just the simple fact that in the past they were willing to lose a few airframes to test their systems since they tended to have less capabilities in lab testing that the US or Europe would have.Also if Lockheed martin loses a jet in initial testing competitions it tends to make them look bad but from the sounds of it the Russians already decided who the manufacture is so their is no worry of losing a competitive selection contract. Besides the lack of technology one thing that also greatly affected their aircraft manufacturing was materials used (they tended to use lots of metals instead of composites and therefore had to compensate in other areas, larger engines more fuel etc etc..) and quality control during manufacturing if they have worked those 2 out along with their ability to purchase electronics then they should be able to put up an interesting aircraft but by the end of the year would require at least a few shortcuts.

my 2 cents is that doesn't seem at all outrageous. I don't think that when working with known structural materials there is anything more that can be accomplished in 5 years than 1, given proper funding of course. Development of new aircraft will stumble on software and stealth coverings, neither of which need be present in a flyable plane even if the end result contains nifty software and stealth aiding materials. Not to mention the Russians always seemed willing to let one or two crash and burn while they work the bugs out, at least in the past anyways.

Yes in the PDF the second vehicle picture seems to be radar/command vehicle it seems to be a very soft target. But putting a hellfire should set off some great fireworks if you hit one of those launchers right on the missile mount.

Cant read german but those are great pictures of the weapons systems on the attached PDFs looks like even a small missile would take care of those nicely. Wonder how well multiple launchers network together?

One thing I have wondered about these systems is how much damage they can take. Reason I ask is if something small, like say a hellfire, could take one out or reduce its efficiency wouldn't a small stealthy drone pre-strike similar to the predators take care of the problem?

The old army vulcan gun system http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m163.htm has been mostly replaced by the stinger manpad system http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/ada/Avenger.html what the army has seemd to realise is what the navy has realized that while small missile systems (ESSM,Stinger, etc.) make a great punch vs aircraft and you can get a few off vs missiles but a gun putting up 6000 rpm is great for a last resort. The R-2 unit on the CIWS is probably the best in the world at its job.

I honestly think this would defeat the purpose, china of today wants taiwan for its wealth similar to what they gained by eating up hong kong and to some extent macau (the las vegas capital of asia) to destroy taiwan would not only make them look really bad to the whole world but destroy billions of dollars of what they consider to be their property. I think the only reason they would attack would be from a big loss of face such as Taiwan comming out and saying that they would never join china and a few countries like the USA and GB establishing full diplomatic ties. This might piss them off just enough otherwise other then a 1st strike by taiwan (suicide) the chinese seem to be ok with status quo until Taiwan decides to come home or the US gets a president that doesnt care and china would then blockade until taiwan surrenders.

I always figured they would only be limited by their amphibious warfare capacity until they were able to capture a deep water port, and would then only be slowed down depending on how much taiwan would be willing to destroy its own infrastructure. In my military history classes discusions have always turned to the fact that chanses are the US would not actively engage chinese forces to protect Taiwan, we may posture and threaten even take away favorite nation trading status but never actually engage militarily.