I'm writing a scenario with the database that came with the game and I discovered that the Flight II Burkes could not carry Helos. Since I've actually been aboard the Farragut, I can attest to the fact that it has two helo hangars  Starting with the Mahan they all have helo hangars.

 

Byron

Byron

I created a test scenario with 3 Burks.

Original Burk has a capacity of 1 Helo

Flight II and IIA have capacity of 2 Helo's

The test scenario is attached.

Eric

 

AB Helos.scq

15 hours ago, Byron said:

I'm writing a scenario with the database that came with the game and I discovered that the Flight II Burkes could not carry Helos. Since I've actually been aboard the Farragut, I can attest to the fact that it has two helo hangars  Starting with the Mahan they all have helo hangars.

Byron

 

USS Mahan (DDG-72) certainly has a helicopter pad but perhaps have a closer look at the aft end of that destroyer. 😉

 

 

USS Farragut (DDG-99), btw, is a Flight IIA Burke. 🙂

Only from Flight IIA (USS Oscar Austin DG-79) have twin hangars, Flight II (DDG-72/78) have not, is an usual confusion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arleigh_Burke-class_destroyer#Development

 

6 hours ago, CV32 said:

 

USS Mahan (DDG-72) certainly has a helicopter pad but perhaps have a closer look at the aft end of that destroyer. 😉

 

 

USS Farragut (DDG-99), btw, is a Flight IIA Burke. 🙂

Brad, I have walked, climbed and crawled all over the Farragut and have been in both hangar bays. You going to believe a picture or someone has, you know, been on the actual ship?

Brad is pointing out that that Flight II ships don't have hangars.  The follow-on Flight IIA Burkes such as Farragut do have the hangar bays.

Arleigh Burke-class destroyers
Flight II ships	Decatur Donald Cook Higgins Mahan McFaul O'Kane Porter
Flight IIA ships	5"/54 variant Oscar Austin Roosevelt 5"/62 variant Bainbridge Bulkeley Carl M. Levin Chafee Chung-Hoon Daniel Inouye Delbert D. Black Dewey Farragut ...

 

See also https://whitefleet.net/2017/07/31/the-arleigh-burke-class-destroyer-ddg-51-an-in-depth-guide/ 

However, Flight I and II ships lack an enclosed hangar. Flight IIA and III ships have enclosed aviation facilities for two MH-60R medium helicopters. This is one of the most significant differences between Flight IIA and Flights I and II.

2 hours ago, Byron said:

Brad, I have walked, climbed and crawled all over the Farragut and have been in both hangar bays. You going to believe a picture or someone has, you know, been on the actual ship?

In this case, it has to be the photo, because that is how USS Mahan (DDG-72) - like other Flight II Arleigh Burkes - is configured. No hangars, just the pad.

USS Farragut (DDG-99), meanwhile, is a Flight IIA Arleigh Burke, with the pad and the dual hangars.

 

1 hour ago, TonyE said:

Brad is pointing out that that Flight II ships don't have hangars.  The follow-on Flight IIA Burkes such as Farragut do have the hangar bays.

 

Correct.

 

1 hour ago, CV32 said:

In this case, it has to be the photo, because that is how USS Mahan (DDG-72) - like other Flight II Arleigh Burkes - is configured. No hangars, just the pad.

USS Farragut (DDG-99), meanwhile, is a Flight IIA Arleigh Burke, with the pad and the dual hangars.

 

Mea culpa… at 70 I really shouldn’t try to watch TV, talk to my wife and keep up with a thread. Sorry, Brad, I shot my mouth off before reading your post correctly. You guys are as professional as anyone in the business, more so, and I should have trusted what you said 

20 minutes ago, Byron said:

Mea culpa… at 70 I really shouldn’t try to watch TV, talk to my wife and keep up with a thread. Sorry, Brad, I shot my mouth off before reading your post correctly. You guys are as professional as anyone in the business, more so, and I should have trusted what you said 

No worries. And no apologies necessary.

There are a undoubtedly a multitude of details that only a shipyard worker would know, and which impact the real life capabilities of a warship, but which never make it to a Harpoon database.

Unfortunately, because I truly love the details! 🙂

12 hours ago, CV32 said:

No worries. And no apologies necessary.

There are a undoubtedly a multitude of details that only a shipyard worker would know, and which impact the real life capabilities of a warship, but which never make it to a Harpoon database.

Unfortunately, because I truly love the details! 🙂

And the details are things that I can’t talk about. Not that an old yardbird knows diddly about radar or weapons but I do still have to be careful about what I talk about. I will tell you this in case you guys want to add it to a Db: the San Antonio class LPD has a space below the main deck forward of the deckhouse that arraingement drawings (not drawings to build by) that shows a VLS. There is talk that the next subclass will have a VLS in this space. 

37 minutes ago, Byron said:

And the details are things that I can’t talk about. Not that an old yardbird knows diddly about radar or weapons but I do still have to be careful about what I talk about. I will tell you this in case you guys want to add it to a Db: the San Antonio class LPD has a space below the main deck forward of the deckhouse that arraingement drawings (not drawings to build by) that shows a VLS. There is talk that the next subclass will have a VLS in this space. 

Yes, a 16 cell Mk 41 VLS was part of the original LPD-17 design.

And Hughes let slip at a Navy League show circa 1996 that there was also room for more VLS cells forward of the bridge.

IIRC, the original DB entry for the LPD-17 included the 16 cell VLS.

One tends to collect this kind of information as a DB editor. 😉

ROFLMAO! The only place they could backfit would be forward of the deckhouse. Everywhere else is pack full of stuff.. I spent 9 miserable months on New York. Like to have killed my legs, me and everyone else that had to work in the main spaces, it was two ladders up from the entrance port deck to the second deck and 5 decks down to each of 4 engine rooms and 3 aux machinery rooms.. I will say this: when New York entered Mayport for the first time, her -22s were flying around in formation. They are the loudest aircraft you’ve ever heard, there is no helo even close to the noise those huge props make a lthundering low pitch roar. If they decide to use these for ASW aircraft on carriers every sub within two CZs is going to hear it when it hovers to drop a dipping sonar. Even a low pass is going to be very bad. Just an FYI.

1 hour ago, CV32 said:

Yes, a 16 cell Mk 41 VLS was part of the original LPD-17 design.

And Hughes let slip at a Navy League show circa 1996 that there was also room for more VLS cells forward of the bridge.

IIRC, the original DB entry for the LPD-17 included the 16 cell VLS.

One tends to collect this kind of information as a DB editor. 😉

 

1 hour ago, Byron said:

I will say this: when New York entered Mayport for the first time, her -22s were flying around in formation. They are the loudest aircraft you’ve ever heard, there is no helo even close to the noise those huge props make a lthundering low pitch roar. If they decide to use these for ASW aircraft on carriers every sub within two CZs is going to hear it when it hovers to drop a dipping sonar. Even a low pass is going to be very bad. Just an FYI.

 

We get a fair bit of military traffic - aircraft and ships in particular - in this part of the world. I have been privy to a low pass overhead by several Ospreys in formation. It is certainly a memorable sound.

1 hour ago, Byron said:

ROFLMAO! The only place they could backfit would be forward of the deckhouse. Everywhere else is pack full of stuff.. I spent 9 miserable months on New York. Like to have killed my legs, me and everyone else that had to work in the main spaces, it was two ladders up from the entrance port deck to the second deck and 5 decks down to each of 4 engine rooms and 3 aux machinery rooms..

That's one of the characteristics of naval ships in general - they tend to abhor empty or unused space.