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Requests for the HCDB (Official DB of HCE) and HCDB2

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Very minor issue. #Ivan Green Pr1171.1 depicts apparently the initial project.

Weapons installed at last were (Google Translate from Russian Wikipedia entry):

"According to the project initially approved for construction, the ships were to install one 100 mm AU A-190M, two anti-aircraft artillery systems "Palash" and two launchers of the rocket launcher A-215 "Grad-M".
Due to the fact that the concept of using the BDK project 11711 was considered obsolete, as well as to save money and reduce construction time in 2010, the commander in chief of the Russian Navy Admiral V.S. Vysotsky decided to change the composition of weapons. Under the new project, weapons consist of:
1 × AK-630M-2 "Duet";
2 × AK-630M with the radar fire control system 5P-10-03 "Laska";
2 × 14.5 mm by the MTPU "Sting";
1 × complex of fired passive jamming KT-308-04 "Prosvet-M".
In consequence:
- Replace forward 76mm gun by AK-630M-2 Duet (with superimposed 30mm rotary guns).
- Delete 140mm MRL
- Add 2x14.5mm MG.
- Probably add 2xSA-18 MANPADS.
- 2xNavigation Radar.
- 1x#43595 Cross Round (MR-352M) "Positiv".
- Decoys present, but probably not ECM.

 

Sources:

http://www.russiadefence.net/t537p175-project-11711e-ivan-gren-class (images)

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0_11711

http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_11711.htm(initial project weapons)

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  • Enrique, if you would be so kind, can you post a list of the carriers where you think capacity needs to be adjusted, and some authority for the requested change. (And, as you know, HCCW has its own th

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Some Russian modern warships have not decoys or ECM (probably all of Generation 3), as now revealed by photo and video evidence:

- #2984 Buyan Pr21630.

- #3960 Buyan-M (21631).

- #3963 Grigorovich (1135.6), has only Generation 2 decoys, and no ECM. Class in service from 2016, some 3620 tons. As comparison, Steregushchiy class is in service from 2008, with only 1800 tons, and has Generation 3 decoys and ECM in the DB.

 

Sources:

From 47:34 and 47:50 Serpukhov 563 (Buran-M class) with apparently white/light grey probably square ESM on mainmast and probably hemicylindrical ECM, identical to those present in the same video start of Admiral Makharov 799 (Grigorovich class). And decoys in 563 also visible from 48:22.

 

But if you see photos of Steregushchiy (2008), her ESM/ECM are not so integrated as in later projects, and perhaps the outcome should be something as:

- Steregushchiy (2008), Generation 2 decoys and ESM/ECM.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%8B_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0_20380#/media/File:Corvette_Steregushchiy.jpg

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%8B_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0_20380#/media/File:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%83%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4.jpg

 

- Buyan (2006), Generation 2 decoys and ESM.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyan-class_corvette#/media/File:%C2%AB%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%C2%BB.jpg

 

- Buyan-M (2014), Generation 3 decoys and ESM/ECM.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyan-class_corvette#/media/File:%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4_%D0%A1%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%8F%D0%B6%D1%81%D0%BA.jpg

 

- Grigorovich (2016), Generation 3 decoys and ESM/ECM.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/%D0%A4%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%82_%22%D0%90%D0%B4%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB_%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87%22.png

 

- Gorshkov Pr22350 (2017?, 4500 tns), Generation 3 decoys and ESM/ECM, just as in DB.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0_22350#/media/File:Admiral_Gorshkov-class_frigate.jpg

 

But at last, only informed guesses...

Aircraft #8239 Typhoon FGR.4 17 (RAF) should change its introduction date to 2018, Meteor AAM not yet in service, and probably to be inducted in service only towards 2018 (perhaps June 2018 in another private note without reference):

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/defence-secretary-announces-539-million-investment-in-new-missiles-systems

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Loadout #56489 ASW has only 1x#47142 SSQ-947B Ranger, it should be 8xSSQ-947B Ranger, as in the rest of Lynx loadouts with sonobuoys (Loadout employed by some eight Lynx types).

 

As aside consideration, I remember now is very difficult to track in what loadouts is carried a concrete type of sonobuoy, as the Platform Editor gets a blank subwindow without any results when interrogued about any sonobuoy type. You only can track sonobuoy types use by loadout by memory or making a paper list or similar.

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Weapon entry #34871 ALQ-123 IRCM pod has as sub-type "IR", should be "Flare".

A very minor typo, but generating some confussion in DB editing:

- Weapon #18822 SA-19 Grison (9M331M), employed by Tunguska SP AA weapon, should be changed to something similar to 9M311, as 9M331 are missiles in the series employed by SA-15 Gauntlet/Tor.

A very minor typo, but generating some confussion in DB editing: - Weapon #18822 SA-19 Grison (9M331M), employed by Tunguska SP AA weapon, should be changed to something similar to 9M311, as 9M331 are missiles in the series employed by SA-15 Gauntlet/Tor.

 

Yep, looks like a typo. Probably should be 9M311M1. I will check later.

I see #6255 Harushio submarine has probably the 12/20 knots submerged/surfaced speed values inverted.

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