Venezuela sub scenario

[pmaidhof]

Well, truth be told, none of these are necessarily required for a submarine scenario, least of all the Mi-26 heavy lift helicopter.

I definitely agree on the Mi-6, other than to be located at an airbase - being a target for some type of attack. The other helos could be present in the scenario for that players option to defend facilities or even make some type of attack on oppressor shipping.

[CV32]

Oh, for sure, far be it from me to hold you back on whipping a comprehensive and all encompassing scenario. In fact, there are a whole host of other possible platforms if thats the route you'd like to take.

[pmaidhof]

I am not familiar with an Mi-17B version of the Mi-17 Hip helicopter. I think this is probably actually Mi-17MTV-5, with stub wings (four hardpoints on each, typically for rocket pods) and up to 26 passengers.

 

Per the H4 data that I received, the Mi-17MTV-5 can carry 6x UB-32-57. That means 3 pods per winglet, and 32 57mm S-5 rockets in each pod. There is also a drop tank(s) available which may take up one or more other hardpoints. MTF.

 

The Mi-35 is the export designation for the Mi-24V Hind E helicopter.

 

Finished most of the HIND E data form as well. I'd assume that the Mi35V-5's twin 23mm would fire in the frontal arc, replacing the 12.7mm currently found in the general HIND E.

[pmaidhof]

Oh, for sure, far be it from me to hold you back on whipping a comprehensive and all encompassing scenario. In fact, there are a whole host of other possible platforms if thats the route you'd like to take.

Aside from the Amur and Kilo subs, I know that they had F-16's. Any other surface combatants I'm sure can be found in my Combat Fleets of the World. I'm confident that it would a short, sharp engagement, vice a knock down drag out battle, or even a Panama type invasion, although I will initially be focusing on the sub(s) vs Burke and/or Perry.

[pmaidhof]

OK, a quick scenario thumbnail sketch. At first a Burke/Perry combo is conducting maritime inspections (by way of RIB's) of freighter traffic (looking for theater ballistic missile components) headed towards Venezuelan port of Puerto Cabello (10 27N, 68 01W). A review of satellite imagery has determined that a previously present Amur Class SS has left port.

 

Since "Flight IIA ships do not normally deploy with the RGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missile or towed array sonar." (source), the Perry will deploy its towed array, and we'll see what happens.

 

More platforms may be added in this or subsequent run throughs.

[CV32]

Remember, if you haven't taken note already, the Perrys are having their SM-1 launchers hauled too.

[pmaidhof]

Remember, if you haven't taken note already, the Perrys are having their SM-1 launchers hauled too.

Long gone by now aren't they - thought that was 2003?

[CV32]

Remember, if you haven't taken note already, the Perrys are having their SM-1 launchers hauled too.

Long gone by now aren't they - thought that was 2003?

 

Hehe, right you are. I am going to shut up now.

[pmaidhof]

Cross posted from PeterG F-14 post.

 

Venezuelas' F-16s have poor maintenance from 2003 due to lack of spares. They might have been fitted with Python 4 AAM 2004-06.

 

Loadouts for Mi-17V5:

4 B-8 rocket pods or

2 B-8 rocket pods, 2 UPK-23 23mm gun pods

 

MI-35M2 have the standard 12.7mm nose turret gun and are fitted with RWR, IR jammer, decoys, IR suppression, FLIR, laser designator, NVG. They have 4 HP vice the standard 6, estimated loadout

8 AT-6 Spiral, 2 B-8 rocket pods

 

Mi-26T2 is used by the Army. You could use it to relocate radars or even, as In Vietnam, move aircraft from FOL to FOL.

 

Don't firget teh Mirage 50EV with Cyrano IV radar and Exocet msls:

2 1700 L drop tanks, 1 AM.39 Exocet Block II, 2 Magic 2 msls

 

SU-30MK2 have N-001V radar. they lack thrust vectoring or canards so are more like perhaps the Su-30MKI with standard SU-27 ATA? No idea on loadouts although R-73, R-77 and Kh-31A are possible."

 

Thanks Peter.

[PG_H4]

Using recently released Combat Plotter v1.0.6.5 and a big assist to Tony and MapBuilder, here is the final product in the Combat Plotter.

 

 

Questions - Comments?

 

 

How on earth do you import maps into the Combat Plotter?

 

I'm about to play my first scenario this weekend using thePlotter - Canadian ASW frigates vs Soviet SS in the North Sea.

[pmaidhof]

Peter,

 

Here are my interpretation of what Tony said to me in chat when he talked me through it.

 

Open MapBuilder

 

Ctrl+N for new set up

 

Select the only one there - can type a new name.

 

Right-click Layers and choose Import Layer (we're going to get the world outline first to help you with scaling the map)

 

Find the TGWorldOutline.lyr file in the GIS folder of your plotter directory and open it up.

 

Right-click Layers again, this time Add Data layer.

 

Click the Raster button.

 

Find your map graphic and Open.

 

Click Edit Object and you should see a Yellow circle upper-right corner of graphic.

 

Ctrl + Left mouse button in the image to move it around.

 

Ctrl+Left mouse button in the Yellow circle to resize the image.

 

When done click End Edit, then you can copy the created .sdb file into your plotter directory and load up the plotter, graphic should then be there

Must be named temp.sdb in the plotter dir.

 

It's really cool, enjoy it.

[Jon]

Hi

On my travels I have found a website that may be of use to you.

It lists all the Venezuelan navy, air force and army equipment and command structures. The only downside is it's in Spanish! although I'm guessing if you run it through babelfish or a similar translator you will find some good information.

 

Home page http://www.fav-club.com/fan.htm

 

Article about Su-30MK2 http://www.fav-club.com/articulos/flankera...flankervzla.htm

 

Cheers Jon.

[pmaidhof]

Hi

On my travels I have found a website that may be of use to you.

It lists all the Venezuelan navy, air force and army equipment and command structures. The only downside is it's in Spanish! although I'm guessing if you run it through babelfish or a similar translator you will find some good information.

 

Home page http://www.fav-club.com/fan.htm

 

Article about Su-30MK2 http://www.fav-club.com/articulos/flankera...flankervzla.htm

 

Cheers Jon.

Thanks Jon, I'll need to get some of my spanish speaking friends to help me out on that one. I can however appreciate the pictures.

[pmaidhof]

I'm currently working through the interaction of a Project 667 Amur SS and SQR-19 towed array-deployed from an O.H. Perry FFG, which is screening the currently abstracted maritime inspection forces.

 

Just as a throw-away, har far off the coast becomes too far to be effective. I just through units on the plotter today and the Perry turned out being 100nm north of the city of Barcelona - too far in my opinion. Perhaps somewhere between 12 and 30nm, 12 being their national waters.

 

Thanks

[pmaidhof]

It turned out that in event that the two forces, the Project 667 Amur (10kts) and the Perry FFG with SQR-19 deployed (10kts), got within detection range of one or both the towed array would have a small detection advantage over the sub provided the sub was under "the layer". If the sub were above the layer - in either the shallow or periscope depth, then the towed array detection range(s) would be halved due to 4.4.4.1 Direct Path and "The Layer".

 

If the sub is below the layer and the sea state is 4, the SQR-19 can roll for passive detection of the VQuiet sub at 0.8/2.2/3.0nm (25%/50%/75% respectively). The sub's Lira sonar in passive mode (both Hull and Flank) would also suffer the 50% passive sonar range due to 4.4.4.1 in its attempt to detect the surface ship above the layer. I suppose that it is possible for the sub to detect the Towed Array without the 4.4.4.1 restriction?

 

This is where solo gaming becomes a challenge, but I'll roll some dice, or select some pre-written out standing order cards to determine what depth the sub is at, along with my pre-rolled "start" bearing of the sub in relation to the FFG's position.

 

I have not yet considered 4.4.4.2 Convergence Zones as I am uncertain of the general depth(s) of the area that I depicted in the areas between the Sub Base in Puerto Cabello, and La Asuncion (on Isla de Margarita) out to about 70nm. 4.4.4.2 says that when sonar is directed into Very Deep water (3.2.1 gives 1201 meters+) CZ's would occur initially at 30nm (Atlantic Ocean) increments. If this is presumed correct, there is a chance for one 3nm wide CZ between the sub base and the US force (if within 70nm of shore). All food for thought.