CV32 Posted March 18, 2008 Report Posted March 18, 2008 This scenario, 'The Origin of Storms', is for play by BLUE in the EC2003 GIUK Battleset. The original intention of the scenario was to examine in part which new fighter aircraft would be best for Norway, the F-16, F-35 JSF or Eurofighter Typhoon. It subsequently evolved into something more than that. You will need the latest version of the HCDB, which I hope to upload in a few days. When I do, please take this scenario for a spin and let me know if you have problems, issues, thoughts, opinions, whatever. The scenario is NOT ready for release, so please do not distribute it. Updated scenario (following initial testing) has been uploaded here. Origin.zip
JSF Posted March 19, 2008 Report Posted March 19, 2008 Hello Brad, your personal scen tester is ready to rumble So I wait for your updated db and then I´m going to test it. This scenario, 'The Origin of Storms', is for play by BLUE in the EC2003 GIUK Battleset. The original intention of the scenario was to examine in part which new fighter aircraft would be best for Norway, the F-16, F-35 JSF or Eurofighter Typhoon. It subsequently evolved into something more than that. You will need the latest version of the HCDB, which I hope to upload in a few days. When I do, please take this scenario for a spin and let me know if you have problems, issues, thoughts, opinions, whatever. The scenario is NOT ready for release, so please do not distribute it. Best Regards, Ralf
CV32 Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Posted March 20, 2008 New DB is up, Ralf. Knowing you were chomping at the bit to do some scen testing certainly does provide impetus to get it done. Thanks a bunch.
JSF Posted March 20, 2008 Report Posted March 20, 2008 Hi Brad, ok, started to test it. Made a weird experience: When clicking "display" on the Utsira in the unit window, I got an error message and a CTD. Screenshot attached. I use the latest ge and HCDB. Any clue? Regards, Ralf
CV32 Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Posted March 20, 2008 Thanks, Tony. You da man. Ralf, you're probably missing the latest commondb.rsr file (the images) needed for the display function.
JSF Posted March 20, 2008 Report Posted March 20, 2008 Hello, Thanks, Tony. You da man. Ralf, you're probably missing the latest commondb.rsr file (the images) needed for the display function. Brad, ok, that may be the problem. Just downloading that file. @Tony: thx, Tony. Seems I missed that file while I was out.
JSF Posted March 20, 2008 Report Posted March 20, 2008 Hello, ok, here are the first impressions and hints: - VC´s are missing in the orders: What do I have to destroy - which Units do I have to protect? Think that should be clarified. - the Royal Norwegian Navy is savaged right from the beginning. No chance. Thus maybe the orders for the different SAGs are pointless: Those ships are cannon fodder for the Russian missiles. - Same with the Utsira. Looks like a Russian FF is stationed right over the sub. Tried it three times; each times losing the sub at once. - The Norwegian F-16´s are savaged, too. Not the slightest chance against all those first line interceptors (Foxbats, SU-35, SU-30...) ...but... - The JSF´s do very good: My situation was about to collapse, when my carrier based JSF´s joined the battle. Their longe-range missiles really make a difference. Right now it looks like I get a second life Looks like another real challenging scen, Brad! Attached a screenshot showing the actual status. More to follow.
CV32 Posted March 20, 2008 Author Report Posted March 20, 2008 Hello, ok, here are the first impressions and hints:VC´s are missing in the orders: What do I have to destroy - which Units do I have to protect? Think that should be clarified. As you know, I'm not one for quoting exactly what a player needs to do to win. I continue to be of the mindset that real war doesn't happen this way, i.e. a commander doesn't get a list of precisely defined objectives that say "destroy this and that" and the enemy will surrender. I like inserting the extra challenge of figuring out for yourself what one might need to do to be victorious. That said, most of your objectives here should be easily gleaned from the orders: (1) The Royal Norwegian Navy (RNoN) sub Utsira was caught inside Russian waters at the time of the nuclear calamity and the Russians have discovered her. Hence the proximity of a Russian ship at the scenario start. She has little chance, but maybe some enterprising player can save her. (2) RNoN objectives: to quote from the orders, "Norwegian naval assets have been directed to safeguard territorial integrity, and in particular, to conduct patrol and survey missions in the vicinity of the Snohvit oil field in order to assess and curb any potential radiological contamination. They have been directed to observe and respect the Russian declared exclusion zone, at least for now." (3) Royal Navy carrier group objectives: to quote from the orders, "Depart from Harstad ... In the event of war, the carrier group should move to secure the accident zone ... " ... the Royal Norwegian Navy is savaged right from the beginning. No chance. Thus maybe the orders for the different SAGs are pointless: Those ships are cannon fodder for the Russian missiles. I realize this. The precarious position of the RNoN is intentional. Hence the necessity of involving the British carrier. Same with the Utsira. Looks like a Russian FF is stationed right over the sub. Tried it three times; each times losing the sub at once. See my earlier comments. The Russian frigate is not right on top of the sub, but very close by. I'm curious if anyone will be able to save Utsira, hehe. The Norwegian F-16´s are savaged, too. Not the slightest chance against all those first line interceptors (Foxbats, SU-35, SU-30...) ...but... The JSF´s do very good: My situation was about to collapse, when my carrier based JSF´s joined the battle. Their longe-range missiles really make a difference. Right now it looks like I get a second life Now you're into the real meat of the scenario. As I stated in my original post, this scenario was supposed to examine what fighter aircraft might make the best choice for Norway. Lemme know what happens when the Eurofighters arrive. Looks like another real challenging scen, Brad! Attached a screenshot showing the actual status. More to follow. Glad to hear it, and looking forward to the rest. Thank you very much for your efforts, Ralf. Very much appreciated.
JSF Posted March 21, 2008 Report Posted March 21, 2008 Hi Brad, the battle continues... You were right about my first hints: The units behave (and die ) according to the orders. Same with the Utsira. I´ll try to save her in the next run. The scenario has become an open battle now: I have ferried all my UK assets to Norway. The JSF´s have a fantastic kill ratio - even Foxbats are blown out of the sky! The Eurofighters are reloading on Norwegian bases right now. If they perform as brilliantly as the JSF´s I can win it. My "eyes" (Sentinel) have arrived and I now have a clear picture of the incoming air threats and can vector my fighters according to their performance: The Falcons versus the Fencers and the JSF´s versus the Foxbats and Flankers. I am having a lot of fun! More to follow. Regards, Ralf
JSF Posted March 21, 2008 Report Posted March 21, 2008 Ok, next step accomplished: I have managed to stop Russian air attacks and regained control over Norway. Right now it is a stalemate. The ac kill ratio is much in my favour now but I lack the ressources for a counterstrike on Russian bases. Tried it with Storm Shadow cruise missiles, but all were easily shot down. Lost all British Tornados when I started a suicidal attack with them on a red base. Have to figure out how to make a victory out of a stalemate btw The Eurofighters perform great, too. It this is for real, the Russians can bag their Foxbats. Attached latest screenshot.
JSF Posted March 22, 2008 Report Posted March 22, 2008 Victory achieved! I managend to find and sink the Russian carrier with my RN sub. The Sub came close enough to fire all its Spearfish torps, hitting the carrier seven times and sinking two other ships. Victory was granted, when the Kusnetzov sunk. A short resume in addition to my former posts: 1. I think everything works according your intentions, Brad. Thus the scenario is done IMO 2. The JSF´s and Eurofighters are superior even to Russia´s best interceptors. Those Meteor missiles are killers - extreme high kill ratios. 3. One thing I missed were long range ARMs for my ac. Is there no HARM loadout for the JSF and/or the Eurofighter? These 37nm-ranged Alarms are toys against modern Russian SAMs. All in all a nice scen, Brad. maybe you should it make even a little harder since I managed to win it on my first full run. My ac achieved kill ratios about 5:1; maybe more lange range bombers for Russia? One or two Backfire regiments, one threatening Norwegian bases, one the British Carrier group? Another idea: Leaving out the British base with its assets. If you want to keep the Eurofighters, Sentry and Sentinel in the game you can add them to a Norwegian base; raesonable as a consequence because of the political situation you describe. I´ll now switch over to "Worst Case". Regards, Ralf Last screenshot attached.
CV32 Posted March 22, 2008 Author Report Posted March 22, 2008 Victory achieved! I managend to find and sink the Russian carrier with my RN sub. The Sub came close enough to fire all its Spearfish torps, hitting the carrier seven times and sinking two other ships. Victory was granted, when the Kusnetzov sunk. Excellent. Gotta love a torpedo kill. The other way to win was to have the Brit carrier near the floating nuke powerplant for a certain period of time. A short resume in addition to my former posts:1. I think everything works according your intentions, Brad. Thus the scenario is done IMO 2. The JSF´s and Eurofighters are superior even to Russia´s best interceptors. Those Meteor missiles are killers - extreme high kill ratios. 3. One thing I missed were long range ARMs for my ac. Is there no HARM loadout for the JSF and/or the Eurofighter? These 37nm-ranged Alarms are toys against modern Russian SAMs. Yah, the Brits have invested in ALARM rather than HARM. As you say, they are seriously outranged by the double digit Russian SAMs. All in all a nice scen, Brad. maybe you should it make even a little harder since I managed to win it on my first full run. My ac achieved kill ratios about 5:1; maybe more lange range bombers for Russia? One or two Backfire regiments, one threatening Norwegian bases, one the British Carrier group? Good point. I'll do that. Another idea: Leaving out the British base with its assets. If you want to keep the Eurofighters, Sentry and Sentinel in the game you can add them to a Norwegian base; raesonable as a consequence because of the political situation you describe. Yes, ok, I'll think about doing one or the other. I´ll now switch over to "Worst Case". Acknowledged. Thanks a bunch, Ralf.
CV32 Posted March 22, 2008 Author Report Posted March 22, 2008 Updated scenario posted to this thread for further testing. Oh, and the release version will contain a little surprise because of some changes to the HCDB.
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