So, what's the deal when I park the Hawkeyes out there 300 nm or more, with their radars left OFF?

 

I dunno, it seems a bit much to me, but I guess I wouldn't feel so bad if my side could also use blind ESM to do similarly effective intercepts at similar distances.

 

Have you got something else radiating nearby? Might the enemy be investigating that, and just tripping over your Hawkeye? If this is for something other than the Viet Nam Bridge scenario, might the hostile fighters be checking out a sonar detection of your CV, and again just running into the Hawkeye by accident? (And of course, this is probably another one of those cases where you'll be told that a saved game would be useful ... )

Tony says ESM detects out to a maximum of 1.1 times the radar's line of sight.

 

Ah, good. Since radar range due to LoS (Earth's curvature effect) from high to ground is about 250 nm, we can now say that ESM could pick up the plane at about 275 nm. Add 25 nm for the attached ground units.

 

Therefore, if the radiating Hawkeye at high altitude is within 300 nm of either Vietnamese base proper, then it will be detected by ESM. Further away, it is below the horizon.

 

So, what's the deal when I park the Hawkeyes out there 300 nm or more, with their radars left OFF?

 

I dunno, it seems a bit much to me, but I guess I wouldn't feel so bad if my side could also use blind ESM to do similarly effective intercepts at similar distances.

Not the issue I know, but why are you putting a hawkeye right out there with no escort and are you using it as a pure esm platform (as you have the radar off)?

E-2Bs don't have esm I think?

Not the issue I know, but why are you putting a hawkeye right out there with no escort and are you using it as a pure esm platform (as you have the radar off)?

E-2Bs don't have esm I think?

 

This was done for testing purposes. It is not an actual attempt to play the scenario.

So, what's the deal when I park the Hawkeyes out there 300 nm or more, with their radars left OFF?

 

I dunno, it seems a bit much to me, but I guess I wouldn't feel so bad if my side could also use blind ESM to do similarly effective intercepts at similar distances.

 

Have you got something else radiating nearby? Might the enemy be investigating that, and just tripping over your Hawkeye? If this is for something other than the Viet Nam Bridge scenario, might the hostile fighters be checking out a sonar detection of your CV, and again just running into the Hawkeye by accident? (And of course, this is probably another one of those cases where you'll be told that a saved game would be useful ... )

Nope, nothing else. Also, apparently not the case anyway, because examination of the targets of those intereceptors showed they were specifically going after the Hawkeyes.

So, what's the deal when I park the Hawkeyes out there 300 nm or more, with their radars left OFF?

 

I dunno, it seems a bit much to me, but I guess I wouldn't feel so bad if my side could also use blind ESM to do similarly effective intercepts at similar distances.

 

Have you got something else radiating nearby? Might the enemy be investigating that, and just tripping over your Hawkeye? If this is for something other than the Viet Nam Bridge scenario, might the hostile fighters be checking out a sonar detection of your CV, and again just running into the Hawkeye by accident? (And of course, this is probably another one of those cases where you'll be told that a saved game would be useful ... )

Nope, nothing else. Also, apparently not the case anyway, because examination of the targets of those intereceptors showed they were specifically going after the Hawkeyes.

It does seem that the question of unexpected detection was caused by data transfer from the neutral drug runner, which was probably overflown by the hawkeye on its way out on patrol. I'd think that unless some one comes up with something to the contrary using latest betas the matter is put to bed.

As I've said in another post, I've tested to my satisfaction using three HCE game versions but not the demo, out of curiosity I'd like to hear that the demo is now OK on this point.

It does seem that the question of unexpected detection was caused by data transfer from the neutral drug runner, which was probably overflown by the hawkeye on its way out on patrol. I'd think that unless some one comes up with something to the contrary using latest betas the matter is put to bed.

 

Oh, it's definitely the drug runner in the THB scenario, both due to process-of-elimination tests such as your own, and because Tony confirmed it with sensor logs.

 

Of course, this still leaves the matter of other scenarios ... :o