June 13, 200818 yr I seem to recall that an old Harpoon manual (which I unfortunately no long can find) contained listings of typical airwing compositions for the various different CV types available in the game. I don't see this in the hard copy manual I just received with the game. Such a listing would make scenario construction much easier, especially for a player who's not familiar with carrier ops. Buddha
June 13, 200818 yr I do still have those old manuals, will see about digging up a copy and typing them up as well.
June 13, 200818 yr Author http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/navy/docs/vision/cwings.htm Looks good for modern US carriers. The old manual as I recall also contained listings for Russian, British, and French CV types. All this is no doubt available on the web somewhere, I just thought inclusion in the manual would be helpful. I don't doubt there are a few new players out there who don't realise that after putting a CV into a scenario, the Air Wing needs to be added manually. I do remember a few NavTag players in the old days who had just that problem, and wound up with carriers and no aircraft. Buddha
June 13, 200818 yr The old manual as I recall also contained listings for Russian, British, and French CV types. All this is no doubt available on the web somewhere, I just thought inclusion in the manual would be helpful. It might be helpful, keeping in mind that carrier air wings aren't generally universal, with a bit of mix and match going on between wings. What I'd really like to see would be a website (or other source) that shows the historical composition of ALL US Navy carrier air wings from WWII onward. I don't doubt there are a few new players out there who don't realise that after putting a CV into a scenario, the Air Wing needs to be added manually. I do remember a few NavTag players in the old days who had just that problem, and wound up with carriers and no aircraft.Buddha Perhaps, but they would find out quickly (perhaps the hard way) that this wasn't the case.
June 13, 200818 yr Author The old manual as I recall also contained listings for Russian, British, and French CV types. All this is no doubt available on the web somewhere, I just thought inclusion in the manual would be helpful. It might be helpful, keeping in mind that carrier air wings aren't generally universal, with a bit of mix and match going on between wings. What I'd really like to see would be a website (or other source) that shows the historical composition of ALL US Navy carrier air wings from WWII onward. I don't doubt there are a few new players out there who don't realise that after putting a CV into a scenario, the Air Wing needs to be added manually. I do remember a few NavTag players in the old days who had just that problem, and wound up with carriers and no aircraft.Buddha Perhaps, but they would find out quickly (perhaps the hard way) that this wasn't the case. They did indeed. And I believe it's much more embarassing with NavTag in front of all hands than to learn that lesson with Harpoon on your PC. Buddha
June 13, 200818 yr Author I do still have those old manuals, will see about digging up a copy and typing them up as well. I found the following in an old notebook. IIRC, I copied it from the old Harpoon manual as a reference. I can't swear to how up-to-date it is though: Nimitz 24 - F-14A 24 - FA-18 12 - A-6 4 - KA-6 10 - S-3 5 - EA-6B 5 - E-2C 8 - SH-60F Adm. Kuznetsov 18 - SU-27 Flanker 18 - MiG-29 Fulcrum 10 - KA-27 Helix ASW 4 - KA-27 Helix AEW Kiev 18 - Yak 38 or Yak 141 8 - KA-27 Helix ASW 4 - Hormone B AEW I believe the British and French CV's were in there as well, but I must not have written them down. Buddha
June 13, 200818 yr Author I've posted a bit of an FAQ here: US Navy Carrier Air Wings Do you happen to have the numbers for each AC type? Before it was included in the DB, I built the Midway, since I served aboard her. Although I knew all the AC types, I was a little fuzzy on numbers of each. Someone with a long memory provided the data, but I can't remember who it was. It's probably easier for the current CV's. Buddha
June 13, 200818 yr Do you happen to have the numbers for each AC type? Before it was included in the DB, I built the Midway, since I served aboard her. Although I knew all the AC types, I was a little fuzzy on numbers of each. Someone with a long memory provided the data, but I can't remember who it was. It's probably easier for the current CV's.Buddha It is easier, thanks in large part to better (and more) sources to choose from. For Midway, just prior to her departure from service, I believe it was: 3x F/A-18 Hornet sqns 1x mixed A-6E/KA-6D sqn 1x E-2C Hawkeye sqn 1x EA-6B Prowler sqn 1x SH-3H Sea King sqn Numbers of aircraft among squadrons would have been roughly comparable to the current mix.
June 13, 200818 yr I found that I had saved all the old manuals on my older machine. This .zip file has the Harpoon 97 manual. H97MANUAL.zip
June 13, 200818 yr Author I found that I had saved all the old manuals on my older machine.This .zip file has the Harpoon 97 manual. That's it, right there in Appendix C, thanx. Quite a few other useful facts in that section as well, including the foriegn Navy loadouts I couldn't find my copies of. I usually remember A./C types OK, it's just the numbers I need a reference for. Buddha
June 13, 200818 yr Author Do you happen to have the numbers for each AC type? Before it was included in the DB, I built the Midway, since I served aboard her. Although I knew all the AC types, I was a little fuzzy on numbers of each. Someone with a long memory provided the data, but I can't remember who it was. It's probably easier for the current CV's.Buddha It is easier, thanks in large part to better (and more) sources to choose from. For Midway, just prior to her departure from service, I believe it was: 3x F/A-18 Hornet sqns 1x mixed A-6E/KA-6D sqn 1x E-2C Hawkeye sqn 1x EA-6B Prowler sqn 1x SH-3H Sea King sqn Numbers of aircraft among squadrons would have been roughly comparable to the current mix. I was aboard during the F-4, A-6, A-7 days. I left before the F/A-18 made its appearance. I don't know how it ultimately turned out, but we were concerned by the fact that getting rid of the A-7s would cost us in tanker assets, as we used A-7 tankers quit a bit. I also see they finally got E-2C's. We had the B variant. Buddha
June 19, 200818 yr Author Here are the relevant entries from the old Harpoon 97 manual regarding air wings: Table C-5 USA: CV Forrestal Number Class name Type 24 F-14A Tomcat Fighter 18 F/A-18 Hornet Attack 20 A-6E Intruder Bomber 10 S-3 Viking ASW 5 EA-6B Prowler AEW 5 E-2C Hawkeye AEW 6 SH-60F Oceanhawk ASW Table C-6 USA: CVN Nimitz Number Class name Type 24 F-14A Tomcat Fighter 24 F/A-18 Hornet Attack 12 A-6E Intruder Bomber 10 S-3 Viking ASW 5 EA-6B Prowler AEW 5 E-2C Hawkeye AEW 8 SH-60F Oceanhawk ASW Table C-7 UK: CVH Invincible Number Class name Type 8 Sea Harrier FRS.2 Attack 9 Sea King HAS.5 ASW 3 Sea King AEW.2 AEW Table C-8 France: CV Clemenceau Number Class name Type 16 Super Etendard Attack 10 F-8E(FN) Crusader Fighter 8 Alize ASW 2 SA.321G Sup Frelon ASW 2 Lynx Mk4 Naval Table C-9 France: CVH Jeanne d’Arc Number Class name Type 8 Lynx Mk4 Naval Table C-10 Spain: CVH Principe de Asturias Number Class name Type 8 Matador AV-8B Attack 6 SH-3D Sea King ASW 3 SH-3 AEW AEW 4 AB-212ASW ASW Table C-11 USSR: CVHG Baku Number Class name Type 13 Yak-38 Forger Attack 14 Ka-27 Helix A ASW 3 Ka-25 Hormone B Search I hope this helps anyone building a scenario who doesn't have it. I can't find it in the manual that came with HCE. Buddha
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