I think we must change in the submarine biological contact "Whale" the type from MISC(elaneous) to SS, if not, the human player has a clear advantage. When a submarine contact is detected at long range (SOSUS, KEYHOLE or similar) and the player read in the Unit Window "Unknown submarine contact. MISC", is a clear hint of the contact being a Whale, not a SS, and the human player has not to research that contact.

Other idea about the Whales: the whale can't be detected by MAD, it need the titanium hull flag for that?

I think we must change in the submarine biological contact "Whale" the type from MISC(elaneous) to SS, if not, the human player has a clear advantage. When a submarine contact is detected at long range (SOSUS, KEYHOLE or similar) and the player read in the Unit Window "Unknown submarine contact. MISC", is a clear hint of the contact being a Whale, not a SS, and the human player has not to research that contact.

Other idea about the Whales: the whale can't be detected by MAD, it need the titanium hull flag for that?

But maybe the sound of a whale is enough different from a sub that SOSUS and the like can tell the difference, anyone know for sure?

I think we must change in the submarine biological contact "Whale" the type from MISC(elaneous) to SS, if not, the human player has a clear advantage. When a submarine contact is detected at long range (SOSUS, KEYHOLE or similar) and the player read in the Unit Window "Unknown submarine contact. MISC", is a clear hint of the contact being a Whale, not a SS, and the human player has not to research that contact.

Other idea about the Whales: the whale can't be detected by MAD, it need the titanium hull flag for that?

But maybe the sound of a whale is enough different from a sub that SOSUS and the like can tell the difference, anyone know for sure?

I suppose yes, but only after the game engine (or the sonar or other sensor) give us the classification MISC: Whale we must take it as a biological contact. If in first instance the yet no-classified contact is descripted only as MISC (and not as SS, or other confuse name), is clearly a whale previous to the real classification, and the player has not cause for research that contact.

I think we must change in the submarine biological contact "Whale" the type from MISC(elaneous) to SS, if not, the human player has a clear advantage. When a submarine contact is detected at long range (SOSUS, KEYHOLE or similar) and the player read in the Unit Window "Unknown submarine contact. MISC", is a clear hint of the contact being a Whale, not a SS, and the human player has not to research that contact.

Other idea about the Whales: the whale can't be detected by MAD, it need the titanium hull flag for that?

But maybe the sound of a whale is enough different from a sub that SOSUS and the like can tell the difference, anyone know for sure?

I suppose yes, but only after the game engine (or the sonar or other sensor) give us the classification MISC: Whale we must take it as a biological contact. If in first instance the yet no-classified contact is descripted only as MISC (and not as SS, or other confuse name), is clearly a whale previous to the real classification, and the player has not cause for research that contact.

You've obviously looked at this closer that have I. Maybe for perfection the initial report from Staff Assistant should only say "unknown contact: detected by SOSUS" (or what ever) and not give more information till better detection obtained. Your suggestion maybe is much simpler to impliment.

I suppose there are a few things that fall into this catagory, my personal number one is the showing of weapon range rings for bases which include units within base formation that aren't yet detected but their range rings show up (I like to leave them off for AI for better reality)

As Don intimates, this is more wish list material.

 

For example, I've always thought it would be much better if contacts were identified by their characteristics (e.g. a large ship) or by their emissions (e.g. radar type) rather than jumping right to the identification of the contact type.

 

This would significantly change the game, but its currently beyond our scope.

Testing the Dedalo scenario, my fear confirmed, whale (classified as SS: Whale, and with titanium hull to at least halve the MAD detection range) detected by the Breguet Atlantic MAD !!!

Don't worry, Harpoon can't be perfect, but it's alive from 20 years ago