JMS

Yep, they way I use is to set up several patrols to the target area with enough tankers to get to the next fuel stop and then some (one never knows when the use of 'burners will be advisable). sometimes it's possible to have the first patrol return to base, refuel and then take off again to support the return flight.

This tallies with what I have seen so far. In the "Backyard" scenario I was able to stage a mission from Guam to Burevestnik by 12 F-111D and one EF-111A supported by 3 patrols of KC-10s (3 aircraft each), but was unable to replicate the same mission if the 6 tankers were launched in the same group as the Ardvaarks. It would seem that as soon as the "need fuel" flag lights up, the plane refuels so the fuel transferred may not be enough to complete the mission and there would remain unstransferred fuel in the tanker.

That means that I can fly a tanker out to its max range and it will still give it's loadout? BTW, does the AI refuel in flight?

Done.... BTW i had them in the 80to95db.... Regars René Clonk! must have missed it!

Master, in my lazyness I have been slacking off on the loadouts... but in exchange I request another class: Yankee class SSBN (Project 667) "In 1958 OKB-18 started the development of a new ballistic missile submarine. Initially work was undertaken on two versions, of which only one was authorized. A.S. Kassatsiyer, the author of both versions was designated as chief designer. The development of the submarine faced significant problems regarding the launch system. During elimination of the problems the project underwent fundamental changes and as a result the completely new submarine design received the new designation 667A. The new chief designer was S. I. Kovalev. The revised 667A submarine was both developed and authorized in 1962. The external contours of the submarine were designed to achieve minimal resistance when operating under water. Unlike previous submarines, the horizontal hydroplanes were arranged on the sail. The cylinder-shaped pressure hull is divided into 10 compartments and has an exterior diameter of 9.4m. The SSBN 667A is equipped with the D-5 launch system and 16 R-27 missiles with a range of about 2400 km. The D-5 system originated with studies by SKB-385 in the early 1960s to develop a ballistic missile capable of attacking sea-based targets. Development work resulted from a proposal by SKB-385 in late 1961 for the development of a launch system with a light single-stage missile for strikes against strategic land targets. Deployment began on 13 March 1968. The missiles are arranged in two rows in the fourth and fifth compartments, and can be launched from a depth of 40-50 meters below the surface, while the submarine is moving at a speed of up to 3-4 knots. The missiles are fired in four salvos each comprising four missiles. The time needed for pre-launch preparation is 8 minutes, and within a salvo the missiles are fired at intervals of 8 seconds. After each salvo the submarine needs three minutes return to the launching depth and between the second and third salvo it takes 20-35 minutes to pump water from the tanks into the launching tubes. To reduce the noise of the submarine special propellers were created, the pressure hull was covered with sound-absorbing rubber and the external hull was covered with a antihydroacoustic coating. A layer of rubber also isolates the footings under the main and auxiliary propulsion systems. The 667A SSBNs were equipped with the "Cloud" battle management system which could receive signals up to a depth of 50 meters with the help of the towed antenna "Paravan." The first four 667A Yankee submarines employed the "Sigma" navigation system whereas the follow-on ships were equipped with the "Tobol" -- the first Soviet navigational system that used a satellite navigation system. This system provided reliable navigation in the Arctic Region and in the Pacific Ocean and also sustained the operational capability of the missiles at high latitudes down to 85 degrees. The first 667A Yankee submarine, with the tactical designation K-137, was launched in 1964 at the Northern machine-building enterprise in Severodvinsk. In July 1967 the submarine "K-137" completed sea trials and at the end of 1967 it was commissioned in the Northern fleet. Between 1967 and 1974 a total of 34 strategic submarines of the 667A class were built. 24 submarines were launched at Severodvinsk and 10 at Komsomolsk na Amur. On 10 June 1971 it was decided to upgrade the D-5 launch system and the R-27 missiles. The modernized missile, with a more powerful engine and improved guidance system, was designated as R-27U and the launching system received the designation D-5U. The R-27U was designed to carry both single and multiple warheads. In 1972-1983 the Yankee submarines along with older submarines were re-equipped with the D-5U launch system and R-27U missiles. The R-27U missile had a greater range -- up to 3000 km -- and carried multiple re-entry vehicles. The upgraded submarine was designated as 667AU. In 1967 the first 667A ballistic submarines to form part of the Northern fleet were incorporated into the 31st division of strategic submarines, which was based in the port of Sayda. At the end of the 60s the 19th division of strategic submarines was also equipped with 667A submarines. Both divisions formed part of a structure consisting of 12 squadrons, which in December 1969 was transformed into the 3rd flotilla of submarines. Two divisions of 667A submarines of the Pacific fleet — 8th and 25th- - were based at Kamchatka. In the middle of the 1970s a unit of 667A SSBNs was transferred to Pavlovsk. In May, 1974 near the Navy base in Petropavlovsk a ballistic missile submarine of the 667A class collided with the American attack submarine "Pintado" (SSN-672) in a depth of about 65m. The Soviet submarine was only lightly damaged. On 03 October 1986 on board of the ballistic missile submarine "K-219" of the 667AU class an explosion took place that sparked off a fire. The submarine was located 970 km east of the Bermuda Islands. The crew of a boat managed to surface the submarine and shut down the reactors. As a result of the accident four people were killed. The submarine was towed but on 6 October it had to be scuttled into a depth of 5,500 meters. The United States Navy normally does not comment on submarine operations. But the US Navy issued a statement regarding the release of the book "Hostile Waters" and an HBO movie of the same name, based on the incidents surrounding the casualty of the Russian Yankee submarine K-219. The United States Navy "categorically denies that any U.S. submarine collided with the Russian Yankee submarine (K-219) or that the Navy had anything to do with the cause of the casualty that resulted in the loss of the Russian Yankee submarine." Between 1979 and 1994 all Yankee submarines were removed from operational status and their missile compartments cut out to comply with arms control agreement ceilings. During their operation time the 667A and 667AM Yankee submarines had carried out 590 patrols all over the world. Two of the submarines were taken out of service in 1979, two in January 1980, one in January 1981, two in January 1982, one in November 1982, one in June 1983, one in January 1984, two in April 1985, two in March 1986, two in 1987, and the rest in 1988 and 1989. A number of Yankee ballistic missile submarines were modified to perform other missions. In the early 1970s the Soviet Navy ordered the development of new missiles and a new launch system intended to replace the D-5 launch system on Yankee I submarines that were to be overhauled and upgraded. Unlike the liquid-propellant missiles R-21, R-27 and R-29, the underwater firing of the R-31 did not require filling the launch tube with water In 1977 the "K-140" submarine was equipped with the first D-11 Soviet sea based solid-fuel missiles and received the designation 667AM Yankee II. The 12 P-31 missiles loaded on the submarine could be fired from a depth up to 50 meters. Its submerged displacement increased to 10,000 tons. Deployment was limited to a single Yankee II submarine "K-140". In 1989 the R-31 missiles were withdrawn from service. The submarine "K-420" was converted to test the "Meteorite" (SS-N-24) cruise missiles. The re-equipped submarine received the designation 667M (Yankee SSGN or Yankee Sidecar). The length and the width of the SSBN were increased up to 153 m and 15-16 m respectively. Outside of the pressure hull 12 launchers for the SS-N-24 missiles were located. The re-equipment began in December 1982 and the first launches of a cruise missile was conducted in December 1983. From 1982 to 1991 some Yankee I SSBNs were equipped with 20 up to 40 launchers of SS-N-21 "Grenade". They were designated as 667AT (Yankee Notch). Unlike the "K-420" that was converted to carry the SS-N-24 missiles, the shape of the deck behind the cabin was not altered. The displacement of the submarine was increased up to 11,500 tons and the body was lengthened to 140 meters. From 1979-1984 the ballistic missile submarine "K-403" was converted into a submarine for special purposes designated as Yankee Pod. Instead of a missile compartment, it had was equipped with radio equipment and a towed hydroacoustic station. In 1990 the SSBN "K-411" was converted under the project 09774 (Yankee Stretch) into a carrier of supersmall "KS-411" submarines. Between 1988 and 1994 most converted Yankee submarines were removed from operational status. The converted K-411 (Yankee Stretch) and K-420 (Yankee Sidecar) are reliably reported to remain in service, and some reports also suggest that K-395 [a Yankee Notch] and K-403 [Yankee Pod] may also remain in service. " Project 667A (NATO: Yankee) Project 667AU (NATO: Yankee) Project 667AM (NATO: Yankee II) Project 667M (NATO: Yankee-Sidecar) Project 667AT (NATO: Yankee-Notch) Project 667AK (NATO: Yankee-Pod) Project 09774 (NATO: Yankee-Stretch) Project 09780 (NATO: Yankee-Pod) 34 boats completed, 24 at Severodvinsk Shipyard and 10 at Komsomolsk-na-Amure Shipyard. Equipped with 16 R-27 missiles [sS-N-6]. Project 667AU: equipped with 16 R-27U missiles [sS-N-6 mod. 2/3]. Project 667AM: equipped with 12 R-31 missiles [sS-N-17]. Project 667AT: missile tubes removed, attack submarines, equipped with RK-55 cruise missiles [sS-N-21] and torpedoes Project 667M: equipped with 12 Meteorit-M cruise missiles [sS-NX-24] Project 667AK: communication submarine, test of acoustic and non-acoustic radio-electronic armament Project 09774: midget submarine carrier Project 09780: radio equipment and a towed hydroacoustic station, no missile compartment The boats in the Northern Fleet was organised in the 31st Submarine Division and the 19th Submarine Division (from late 1960's), both under the 12th Submarine Squadron, later (Dec 1969) 3rd Submarine Flotilla. The boats in the Pacific Fleet was organised in the 8th and the 25th Submarine Divisions, both under the 15th Submarine Squadron, later (Nov 1973) 2nd Submarine Flotilla. Details: K-137 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 420 - laid down 4.11.64 - launched 11.9.66 - completed 6.11.67; accepted into the Northern Fleet 27.11.67; from 11.4.70 also known as "Leninist"; 24.10.72 to 28.1.76 under repair; 6.1.84 to 18.9.85 converted to Project 667AU standard; decommissioned 3.4.94 K-140 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 421 - laid down 19.9.65 - launched 23.8.67 - completed 30.12.67; accepted into the Northern Fleet 11.1.68; 1973 to 2.2.78 converted to Project 667AM standard (first R-31 launch 26.12.76); decommissioned 17.12.90 K-26 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 422 - laid down 30.12.65 - launched 23.12.67 - completed 3.9.68; accepted into the Northern Fleet 3.9.68, attached to the 12th Submarine Squadron; 21.12.72 to 18.7.75 under repair; 13.11.83 to 1985 converted to Project 667AU standard; decommissioned 17.7.88 K-32 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 423 - laid down 23.4.66 - launched 25.4.68 - completed 26.10.68; accepted into the Northern Fleet 19.11.68, attached to the 12th Submarine Squadron; 21.6.86 renamed KS-32; decommissioned 19.4.90 K-216 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 424 - laid down 28.6.66 - launched 6.8.68 - completed 27.12.68; accepted into the Northern Fleet 8.1.69, attached to the 12th Submarine Squadron; Aug 1985 to Jun 1986 under repair, missile section removed; 18.4.86 renamed KS-216; decommissioned 17.7.88 K-207 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 400 - laid down 4.11.66 - launched 20.9.68 - completed 30.12.68; accepted into the Northern Fleet 8.1.69, attached to the 12th Submarine Squadron; 30.11.73 to 16.12.76 under repair; 27.8.81 renamed KS-207; decommissioned 30.5.89 K-210 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 401 - laid down 16.12.66 - launched 29.12.68 - completed 6.8.69; accepted into the Northern Fleet 3.9.69, attached to the 12th Submarine Squadron; 15.11.84 renamed KS-210; decommissioned 17.7.88 K-249 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 402 - laid down 18.3.67 - launched 30.3.69 - completed 27.9.69; accepted into the Northern Fleet 21.10.69, attached to the 12th Submarine Squadron; 4.12.75 to 1977 under repair; 15.11.84 renamed KS-249; decommissioned 17.7.88 K-253 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 414 - laid down 26.6.67 - launched 5.6.69 - completed 1.11.69; accepted into the Northern Fleet 28.11.69, attached to the 12th Submarine Squadron, later the 31st Submarine Division; 4.12.75 to 7.2.77 under repair; 17.5.84 to 20.12.88 converted to Project 667AT standard; from Nov 1989 attached to the 24th Submarine Division; decommissioned 3.6.93 K-395 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 415 - laid down 8.9.67 - launched 28.7.69 - completed 5.12.69; accepted into the Northern Fleet 9.1.70, attached to the 12th Submarine Squadron; 24.6.88 to 30.12.91 converted to Project 667AT standard; from 1992 attached to the 24th Submarine Division; 2001 still in service K-408 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 416 - laid down 20.1.68 - launched 10.9.69 - completed 25.12.69; accepted into the Northern Fleet 9.1.70, attached to the 12th Submarine Squadron; 8.1.71 to 19.3.71 transferred to the Pacific, via the southern route (around South America); accepted into the Pacific Fleet 27.3.71; 10.1.75 to 20.7.77 under repair; 16.10.84 began conversion to Project 667AT standard, never completed; decommissioned 17.7.88 K-411 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 430 - laid down 25.5.68 - launched 16.1.70 - completed 31.8.70; accepted into the Northern Fleet 25.9.70; 29.4.82 renamed KS-411; 20.10.83 to 30.12.90 converted to Project 09774 standard; 3.6.92 renamed BS-411; 8.9.98 renamed "Orenburg"; 2001 still in service K-418 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 431 - laid down 29.6.68 - launched 14.3.70 - completed 22.9.70; accepted into the Northern Fleet 20.10.70, attached to the 12th Submarine Squadron; decommissioned 17.3.89 K-420 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 432 - laid down 12.10.68 - launched 25.4.70 - completed 29.10.70; accepted into the Northern Fleet 24.11.70, attached to the 19th Submarine Division; 25.9.79 to 1.11.83 converted to Project 667M standard; 1st Meteorit-N launch 26/27.12.83, 21 more tests 1984 to 1986; 1988 testing ended; 1988 to 1990 missiles tubes removed; returned to the Fleet 1990; Mar 1992 attached to the 24th Submarine Division; Oct 1994 decommissioned K-423 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 440 - laid down 13.1.69 - launched 4.7.70 - completed 13.11.70; accepted into the Northern fleet 24.11.70, attached to the 19th Submarine Division; 6.10.78 to 27.12.87 converted to Project 667AT standard; from Jan 1987 attached to the 24th Submarine Division; decommissioned 5.7.94 K-426 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 441 - laid down 17.4.69 - launched 28.8.70 - completed 22.12.70; accepted into the Northern fleet 16.1.71, attached to the 12th Submarine Squadron; 26.9.79 to 24.12.79 under repair; decommissioned 19.4.90 K-415 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 442 - laid down 4.7.69 - launched 26.9.70 - completed 30.12.70; accepted into the Northern fleet 16.1.71, attached to the 31st Submarine Division; Mar 1972 to Apr 1972 transferred to the Pacific, via the southern route (around South America); accepted into the Pacific Fleet 8.4.72; 3.3.76 to 31.8.77 under repair; 13.5.87 renamed KS-415; 6.8.87 began conversion to Project 09780 standard, never completed; decommissioned 17.7.88 K-403 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 450 - laid down 18.8.69 - launched 25.3.71 - completed 12.8.71; accepted into the Northern fleet 20.9.71; 1979 to 1983 converted to Project 667AK standard; 14.7.81 renamed KS-403; 1990 to 1995 converted to Project 09780 standard; 30.7.97 renamed "Kazan". K-245 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 451 - laid down 16.10.69 - launched 9.8.71 - completed 16.12.71; accepted into the Northern fleet 28.12.71, attached to the 31st Submarine Division; 1976 to 1977 converted to Project 667AU standard; 13.11.81 to 18.8.82 under repair; decommissioned 14.3.92 K-214 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 452 - laid down 19.2.70 - launched 1.9.71 - completed 31.12.71; accepted into the Northern fleet 8.2.72, attached to the 31st Submarine Division; 26.4.79 to 14.8.80 converted to Project 667AU standard; 17.3.89 renamed KS-214; decommissioned 24.6.91 K-219 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 460 - laid down 28.5.70 - launched 8.10.71 - completed 31.12.71; completed as a Project 667AU boat; accepted into the Northern fleet 8.2.72, attached to the 31st Submarine Division; 28.9.79 to 12.12.80 under repair; sunk 6.10.86 in Antlantic Ocean due to a faulty valve in rokcet tube No. 6. K-228 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 461 - laid down 4.9.70 - launched 3.5.72 - completed 30.9.72; completed as a Project 667AU boat; accepted into the Northern fleet 31.10.72, attached to the 31st Submarine Division; 6.1.84 to 11.12.84 under repair; decommissioned 3.9.94 K-241 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 462 - laid down 24.12.70 - launched 9.6.72 - completed 23.10.72; completed as a Project 667AU boat; accepted into the Northern fleet 21.11.72, attached to the 31st Submarine Division; 23.4.84 to 27.8.84 under repair; decommissioned 16.6.92 K-444 - Severodvinsk - serial no. 470 - laid down 8.4.71 - launched 1.8.72 - completed 9.12.72; completed as a Project 667AU boat; accepted into the Northern fleet 23.12.72, attached to the 31st Submarine Division; 15.9.82 to 14.3.92 under repair; decommissioned 30.9.94 K-399 - Komsomolsk-na-Amure - serial no. 151 - laid down 23.2.68 - launched 23.6.69 - completed 24.12.69; accepted into the Pacific fleet 9.1.70; 25.2.74 to 28.1.76 under repair; decommissioned 19.4.40; planned conversion to Project 667AT was cancelled K-434 - Komsomolsk-na-Amure - serial no. 152 - laid down 23.2.69 - launched 29.5.70 - completed 30.11.70; accepted into the Pacific fleet 21.12.70; 16.2.73 to 19.7.73 under repair; 7.4.76 to 31.7.78 converted to Project 667AU standard; decommissioned 17.3.89 K-236 - Komsomolsk-na-Amure - serial no. 153 - laid down 6.11.69 - launched 4.8.70 - completed 27.12.70; accepted into the Pacific fleet 17.1.71; 23.11.79 to 1980 converted to Project 667AU standard; 1980's began conversion to Project 667AT standard, never completed; decommissioned 1.9.90 K-389 - Komsomolsk-na-Amure - serial no. 154 - laid down 26.7.70 - launched 27.6.71 - completed 25.11.71; accepted into the Pacific fleet 13.12.71; 20.6.79 to 23.3.80 under repair; decommissioned 19.4.90 K-252 - Komsomolsk-na-Amure - serial no. 155 - laid down 25.12.70 - launched 12.9.71 - completed 31.12.71; completed as a Project 667AU boat; accepted into the Pacific fleet 8.7.72; 31.7.78 to 7.6.79 under repair; decommissioned 17.3.89 K-258 - Komsomolsk-na-Amure - serial no. 156 - laid down 30.3.71 - launched 26.5.72 - completed 30.9.72; accepted into the Pacific fleet 31.10.72; 1974 to 1975 converted to Project 667AU standard; 23.11.79 to 20.9.81 under repair; decommissioned 16.6.91 K-446 - Komsomolsk-na-Amure - serial no. 157 - laid down 7.11.71 - launched 8.8.72 - completed 30.12.72; completed as a Project 667AU boat(?); accepted into the Pacific fleet 22.1.73; 5.2.73 to 4.6.79 under repair (and possibly converted to Project 667AU?); 28.4.80 to 3.12.81 under repair; decommissioned 17.3.93 K-451 - Komsomolsk-na-Amure - serial no. 158 - laid down 23.2.72 - launched 29.4.73 - completed 7.9.73; completed as a Project 667AU boat; accepted into the Pacific fleet 27.9.73; from 20.10.78 also known as "60 Years of VLKSM"; 20.3.81 to 28.2.83 under repair; decommissioned 16.6.91 K-436 - Komsomolsk-na-Amure - serial no. 159 - laid down 7.11.72 - launched 25.7.73 - completed 5.12.73; completed as a Project 667AU boat; accepted into the Pacific fleet 8.1.74; 20.3.81 to 23.1.84 under repair; decommissioned 14.3.92 K-430 - Komsomolsk-na-Amure - serial no. 160 - laid down 27.7.73 - launched 28.7.74 - completed 25.12.75; completed as a Project 667AU boat; accepted into the Pacific fleet 28.1.75; 9.3.82 to 3.2.86 under repair; decommissioned 12.1.95.

A missing class, Yankee class SSBN, 34 ships. For HCE the only difference with the Delta I would be the missiles.

Needless to say, this stuff was put to good use, "Cold War Submarines" included a short paragraph of a Yankee SSBN trail in 1978: "This particular Yankee trailing operation – given the code name Evening Star – began on March 17, 1978 when USS Batfish (SSN-681) intercepted a Yankee SSBN in the Norwegian Sea. Batfish, towing a 1,100-foot sonar array, had been sent out from Norfolk specifically to intercept the SSBN, U.S. intelligence having been alerted to her probable departure from the Kola Peninsula by the CIA-sponsored Norwegian intelligence activities and U.S. spy satellites. These sources, in turn, cued the Norway-based SOSUS array as the Soviet missile submarine sailed around Norway’s North Cape. After trailing the Soviet submarine for 51 hours while she traveled 350 nautical miles, Batfish lost contact during a severe storm on March 19. A U.S. Navy P-3 Orion maritime patrol aircraft was dispatched from Reykjavik, Iceland, to seek out the evasive quarry. There was intermittent contact with the submarine the next day and firm contact was reestablished late on March 21 in the Iceland-Faeroes gap. The trail of the SSBN was then maintained by Batfish for 44 continuous days, the longest trail of a Yankee conducted to that time by a US submarine." But for Guardfish (SSN-612) there's more! http://guardfish.org/missions/saga_of_the_...fish_patrol.htm http://guardfish.org/missions/missions.htm

See here for a more complete history: http://www.navy.mil/navydata/cno/n87/usw/issue_25/sosus.htm And the Cuban missile crisis shows how capable (though with some big holes...) tracking of Soviet subs was: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB75/#III SOSUS would have been a war winning weapon in the 60s and early 70s but newer, quieter submarines were tougher to detect and track so it needed the reinforcement of SURTASS, which ran into a big snag in the 70s... http://www.darpa.mil/Docs/Anti_Sub_warefar...07171322091.pdf In the 80s, the Soviets clued up to environmental conditions and the Walker Spy ring clued them about the importance of quieting all tonals (previously they had concentrated on pumps and propellers IIRC), enabling them to launch operations Aport (1985) and Atrina (March 1987): http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Operation+At...ons-a0151652726

I have been checking Spanish loadout and there are a number of amendments to make IMO, to simplify, I have put all jet interceptors we have had:

Please see here: http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-095.htm "However, Bainbridge was really not a fast ship. Many ships were much faster, particularly conventional destroyers. It is very important to note that the only races she won were cross-Pacific races and those requiring great acceleration. Bainbridge could accelerate at a greater rate than any ship in the fleet in the 1960s, because she didn't have boiler limitations and was not a heavy ship for the size of her power plant. Her only limits were shaft torque, which we measured in turbine chest pressure, and steam generator levels. Many ships simply pulled away from her in short high speed races (that Captain Sheridan avoided, of course). Many ships could run at greater sustained speeds. So how did she win so many races across the Pacific? Simple: She could cruise at a constant 25-30 knots indefinitely. As she was nuclear powered, she didn't have boiler limitations and she didn't need refueling. " "You see, you just can't wing the throttles open in a tin can like you can in a "nuke." Heat input is too low. Steam pressure falls off, you lose critical heat, the boilers depressurize and cool down, and the steam bubble collapses… nastily. You have to increase speed slowly on a conventional critical steam plant. You have to build up heat (actually heat flow), and maintain temperature and pressure as you slowly accelerate in a tin can. " Diesels and gas turbines have no such incovenient, but the first are slower and the second eats a lot of fuel. And fuel is very important, according to my in-law (former Captain) tanks have to be at 60-70% capacity at its lowers to cater for emergencies and stability, in peacetime. Obviously, in times of war, requirements relax, but relaxing them too much may leave the ship unstable or dead in the water.

Another requests: Sukhoi Su-15TM MiG-23M/P

I've seen it and won't touch it any time soon. It was left that way for a reason, to change it would mean any number of new ways of taking advantage of the AI and of making the AI unable to properly employ the weapons. What you see is a compromise and one not easily improved upon. Noted. Maybe it could be addressed at DB level giving lower PKs to SARH missiles? My 2 cents is that right now MRAAMs all appear to work like AMRAAMs, but you guys have bee around much longer, what do you think?

The code only requires that you keep your aircraft's radar active (turned on). In real life, of course, most SARH guided AAMs not only require that the radar stay active, but that it remains pointed at the target being illuminated, and there are further limitations as to how many missiles can be guided at a time. Maybe Tomy (hint, hint!) can look into that part of the code...

Since I rejoined the community with HCE I have noted that AAMs appear to be quite lethal, which wouldn't necessarily be bad, but then I found that SARH missiles will keep on guiding despite having the launching aircraft turning away and I am bit baffled.... For example, playing the "Backyard" scenario in the WestPac battleset, I found that Su-27s and F-18s could fire AA-10s/AIM-7s nearly simultaneously, turn away and lit 'burners, and there's a good chance that the Sparrows will shot down the Sukhois as they will keep on guiding. I thought, or at least I understood from the manual, that this wouldn't be the case.

Ammo is the same as the Model F, BTW: http://navweaps.com/Weapons/WNSpain_47-45_mkf.htm

Armament: 2 double 120/50 mm NG53 Dual Purpose guns Back from the limbo, characteristics I have been able to find: Elevation: 80º Max horizontal range: 15.400 m. Max vertical ceiling: 21.240 m. Shell weight: 22 Kg Rate of fire: 30 shots per minute (with a good crew!) MV: 875 m/s

Hi JMS I have trouble with the 120mm MAin guns.... absolutly no Data availbe Online or in the H4 Annex.... even navweaps has no info, but at least the gun is listed for spain as 4.7/50 http://navweaps.com/Weapons/WNSpain_Main.htm regards René Let me check my library to see what I can dig out

Convair F-102A (1955-1978) Other users were Greece and Turkey, plus the USAF CONVAIR F-102A DELTA DAGGER: spec metric english wingspan 11.62 meters 38 feet 2 inches wing area 61.45 sq_meters 661.5 sq_feet length 20.84 meters 68 feet 4 inches height 6.46 meters 21 feet 2 inches empty weight 9,145 kilograms 20,160 pounds MTO weight 14,185 kilograms 31,275 pounds max speed at altitude 1,330 KPH 825 MPH / 720 KT service ceiling 15,550 meters 51,000 feet range 2,175 kilometers 1,350 MI / 1,175 NMI There was no internal gun armament; primary armament consisted of six Hughes Falcon AAMs, two in each of three weapons bays in the belly. Initially, the F-102A carried three GAR-1 Falcons and three GAR-2 Falcons. The Falcons were carried on stub launch rails that were extended into the airstream for firing. From the early 1960s, the F-102A was equipped with the AIM-26A Nuclear Falcon, which as its name indicated carried a nuclear warhead with a yield in the range of a kilotonne. It was mainly intended to support collision-course intercepts, in which the Deuce attacked from the forward hemisphere of the target; due to the relative high speed of such an intercept, the nuclear warhead was felt to provide a higher kill probability. The AIM-26A was a heftier weapon than the other Falcons. An AIM-26B with a conventional warhead was also built. With adoption of the AIM-26A, the number of FFARs carried was reduced, to ultimately be eliminated entirely since they were all but useless for air combat. CONVAIR (GENERAL DYNAMICS) F-106A DELTA DART: spec metric english wingspan 11.67 meters 38 feet 4 inches wing area 64.83 sq_meters 698 sq_feet length 21.55 meters 70 feet 8 inches height 6.18 meters 20 feet 4 inches empty weight 10,800 kilograms 23,815 pounds MTO weight 17,350 kilograms 38,250 pounds max speed at altitude 2,395 KPH 1,490 MPH / 1,295 KT service ceiling 17,680 meters 58,000 feet range with tanks 3,140 kilometers 1,950 MI / 1,695 NMI It was armed with four Falcon AAMs, plus a single MB-1 (later AIR-2) Genie unguided nuclear AAM, all in belly weapons bays, and originally had no cannon. The only external stores were an external fuel tank under each wing. From 1967, F-106As were fitted with the General Electric M61A Vulcan 20 millimeter six-barreled Gatling-type cannon and gunsight under Project SIX SHOOTER, the notion of arming an aircraft solely with AAMs having proven somewhat ahead of its time. The cannon had an ammunition supply of 650 rounds and replaced the Genie AAM; arming the F-106 with a nuclear weapon proved troublesome because of the enhanced security and administration required http://www.vectorsite.net/avf102.html

Nitpicking a bit: Argentina: Finger is an updated Dagger, program implemented during the 80s or 90s. Australia: Mirage-IIIO is missing. (1963-1988) "The production Mirage IIIO retained the SNECMA Atar engine, the major difference between the IIIE and the IIIO being fit of a Sperry twin gyrocompass unit. The SEPR booster rocket was not obtained, the space being used for a fuel tank. The Australians actually produced two variants: the "Mirage IIIO(F)", which was optimized as an interceptor, and the Mirage "IIIO(A)", which was optimized for the attack role. The Mirage IIIO(A) featured a Marconi CW Doppler radar navigation unit and, for later production, a wing with a "wet" leading edge to provide increased fuel capacity. The RAAF also obtained a number of Mirage IIID two-seat trainers, described later. The first 12 machines were provided by Dassault as knockdown kits, with the next 25 featuring French-built fuselages, the rest of the aircraft being of Australian origin. The last 79 were mostly of Australian origin. Production was by the Australian Government Aircraft Factory (GAF) and Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation (CAC). CAC built major subassemblies including engine and the flight surfaces, while GAF built the rest and rolled out the completed aircraft. Initial flight of a Aussie Mirage was in March 1963. The final tally of 116 Mirages included 49 Mirage IIIO(F)s, 51 Mirage IIIO(A)s, and 16 Mirage IIIDs. A few of the Mirage III0(A)s were converted to a reconnaissance configuration, with a single film camera shooting down out of the bottom of the nose displacing the Cyrano radar. The radar nose could be refitted if desired. All the surviving Mirage IIIO(F) aircraft were converted to IIIO(A) standard between 1967 and 1979, to be logically redesignated "Mirage IIIO(FA)". Late in their lives Aussie Mirages carried some interesting stores, such as US-built AN/ALQ-72 jamming pods and Paveway laser-guided bombs, with the bombs designated by ground forces. The Mirage was finally withdrawn from Australian service in 1988, and 50 surviving examples were sold to Pakistan in 1990. Some were overhauled there and put back into service, while the others were used as spares hulks." http://www.vectorsite.net/avmir3.html And the CAC Sabre (1953-1971), an advanced F-86 in the 60s with twin Sidewinders: http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p86_23.html And I forgot the RAAF was the only user of the F-4 to return them, 24 being leased 1970-1973 There was also the Macchi MB-326H (1967-1999) but they only served as trainers, so they may not be included. According to this site: http://www.adf-serials.com/3a9.shtml the RAAF operated SP-2H Neptunes (1961-1978?) and P-3Bs (1968-1984), P-3C only started arriving in 1984. Bahrain: The F-5s were only sold in 1985, delivered 1985-1987 Belgium: They too used the F-104G, 112 sold/produced (1963-1980s), The A-109 helicopters were bought in the late 80s. Canada: Another user of the CF-104G, though only in Europe. USA: F-102 and F-106 are missing, what GW Bush going to fly?

Great help! Thanks JMS Take a look at the pdf... Will need a bit more time to finish all new entrys No hurry, you are doing a sterling job as it is. I´ll try to run through other entries and if you don't mind, I´ll post my comments.

I see where it went off track, here's the service history of the Spanish Orion: "As a replacement for the HU-16B Albatross the Spanish Air Force took delivery of three P-3A Deltic Orions in 1973. The aircraft were bought second hand from the USN and the aircrew training was done with VP-31 at NAS Moffett Field. The number of Orions was too small for a country like Spain, specially after one of the aircraft had crashed in 1977. An additional four P-3A's were leased from the USN in 1979. These aircraft remained in Spanish service until they were replaced with five ex RNoAF P-3B Orions. These were transferred from Norway in 1988 for 4000 million pesetas. The five P-3B's were delivered to Jerez AB by Norwegian crews, where they were put in open storage for a short period. A couple of months later 221 squadron started to operate the Bravoes next to two of the original Alphas. Three leased P-3A's were returned to the USN, while the fourth one went to the Spanish Air Force museum. The Spanish Orions are operated by a mixed air force / navy crew. Until 1994 their home base was Jerez de la Frontera AB, today they operate from Moron AB. In 1998 the Spanish ministry of defence expressed its interest in two additional P-3B airframes to replace both Alphas remaining in service. Both the US government and the Norwegian government were contacted about the price and availability of P-3B's at AMARC and the P-3N's respectively. However, the P-3A's are still in service albeit as logistic support and pilot trainer platforms. In February 2002 one Spanish P-3B was deployed to Djibouti in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. By the end of 2002 EADS/CASA was awarded a contract for an extensive modification program for the P-3B mission equipment suite. This involved the installation of the so-called Fully Integrated Tactical System (FITS). Almost a year later the first modified P-3B (now called P-3M) was returned to service with 221 Escuadrón." http://p3orion.nl/operators.html There was little difference for game terms between the A and the B IMO

The least I could do: First of class, Oquendo was different than the other 2, characteristics were: Displacement: 3.004 tons metric full load Dimentions: 116'5 x 11 x 5 m. Max Speed: 32'5 knots Radar: Marconi SNW-10 2-D air, Type 293Q surface Sonar: QHB-a hull mounted Fire control : 1 Vickers-Armstrong w/radar Type 275M (120 mm guns); 1 Vickers-Armstrong w/radar Type 262P (40 mm AA guns) Armament: 2 double 120/50 mm NG53 Dual Purpose guns, 6 40/70 mm Bofors AA, 2 Mk 4 launchers for Mk32 ASW torpedoes, 2 hedgehogs Mk 11 Since this ship was built with local funds, equipment was British. The other 2 (Lauria and Ensenada) used US weapons to a fit equivalent to a FRAM destroyer, Displacement: 3.780 tons metric full load Dimentions: 116'5 x 13 x 5'8 m. Max speed: 31 knots Aviation: 1 Hughes 500M ASW helicopter Radar: SPS-40A air, SPS-10F surface (Like a FRAM-II) Sonar: SQS-32C hull; SQA-10 VDS Fire control: Mk68 w/ Mk37 & Mk56 directors; 1 Mk114 for ASW weapons EW: AN/WLR-1 warning, no jammers Armament: 3 twin 127/38 mm Mk32 DP; 2 torpedo tubes Mk25 for Mk-37 torpedoes ; 2 triples torpedo tubes Mk32 for ASW torpedoes Mk44 or Mk46. This ships in their original project suffered from hull weakness, instability and obsolescence but since they were new, they were selected for modernisation, which cured the last, but not the others... Dates are for entry into service after modernisation: D-31 Audaz - 1961-74 D-32 Osado - 1961-72 D-33 Meteoro - 1963-74 D-34 Furor - 1960-71 D-35 Rayo - 1963-74 D-36 Ariete - 1961-66 lost in a grounding D-37 Temerario - 1964-75 D-38 Intrépido - 1965-82 D-39 Relámpago - 1965-75 Given the short service lives, modernisation wasn't very successful. Disp: 1.550 tons metric full load Dimentions: 94 x 9'5 x 3'6 m. Speed: 32 knots Radar: MLA-1b air, SPS-5B surface Sonar: QHB-a hull Fire control: Mk 63 w/radar SPG-34 (76'2 mm guns) Armamento: 2 x 76'2/50 mm Mk-34 DP guns, 2 x 40/70 mm Bofors AA guns, 2 launchers Mk 4 for Mk32 ASW torpedoes (6 torpedoes), 2 Hedgehogs Mk 11 ASW, 8 Mk 6 mortars & 2 Mk 9 depth charge racks.

That's fast! Some more stuff that could be added: Grumman HU-16 Albatros. There was an ASW version that was the first ASW plane used by a number of operators http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HU-16_Albatross#Operators http://82.149.225.246/Squadron_Signal/Squa...20Albatross.pdf NA F-86F Sabre, this fighter was still in use and saw combat in the Indo-Pak wars of 1965 and 1971. There was a F-104A too, but I will have to check to see if there's any difference with the F-104G for practical effects. Small corrections, Spanish P-3B were not acquired from Norway until the 90s and the SH-3D AEW is post Falklands, Operational around 1983 or so. On Spain, there are several classes of frigates missing, namely: Pizarro class (F-30): http://www.revistanaval.com/armada/buques2/f3040.htm There were 2 versions, an unmodernised one and a modernised one. Alava class (F-50): http://www.revistanaval.com/armada/buques2/d50.htm Audaz class (D-30): http://www.revistanaval.com/armada/buques2/d30.htm Oquendo class (D-40): http://www.revistanaval.com/armada/buques2/d30.htm 2 versions of this ship too, as the first was different from the last 2. Descubierta I class (F-50): http://www.revistanaval.com/armada/buques2/f5060.htm updated coastal escorts.

I may suffer a case of the dumbs, but I can't find the November class SSNs

Is this version available yet? The 'no evasion' version is not yet available outside of the beta testing group at AGSI. Maybe possibly this weekend but I've said that many times before Thanks.