H4 questions i always wanted answers to

[kcdusk]

I'm running a scenario where a russian attack aircraft is doing a bombing run verse a ship. It doesn't matter if its a Mig 27, Su 17 or Su 25 attack aircraft - they each have "LRMTS" sensors and/or "1 ESM/Radar Targeting Pod" which both sounds generic, and i am unable to find this sensor under air/surface/fire control radar.

 

What radar would any of these aircraft use? How do i determine radar detection to their targets?

 

There is mention of a "Kh-23 guidance pod" but i cannot find any stats for it either in my High Tide Data Annex.

[CV32]

I'm running a scenario where a russian attack aircraft is doing a bombing run verse a ship. It doesn't matter if its a Mig 27, Su 17 or Su 25 attack aircraft - they each have "LRMTS" sensors and/or "1 ESM/Radar Targeting Pod" which both sounds generic, and i am unable to find this sensor under air/surface/fire control radar. What radar would any of these aircraft use? How do i determine radar detection to their targets? There is mention of a "Kh-23 guidance pod" but i cannot find any stats for it either in my High Tide Data Annex.

 

LRMTS is a reference to Laser Ranger and Marked Target Seeker, useful for gauging range to target and for working with other assets on the ground (and otherwise) that might be marking targets for your aircraft.

 

An ESM/radar targeting pod would be relevant to anti-radar missions.

 

The Kh-23 (NATO AS-7 Kerry) is an early generation, radio command guided air to surface missile. The pod carries the electronics necessary for the aircraft to guide the weapon to its target. (For aircraft that did not have that capability built into their avionics.)

 

Regarding radars, the MiG-27 (NATO Flogger D) did not have a radar. The MiG-27K (NATO Flogger J) added more avionics, but still no radar. The Su-25 (NATO Frogfoot) and Su-17 (NATO Fitter) were much the same.

[dylanjones]

As already mentioned, none of those Russian aircraft have a radar. So you have to use the visual sighting rules in H4.1 to spot your target vessel.

[kcdusk]

Copy, thank you.

 

Wow, Russian attack/strike aircraft with no radar ...

[kcdusk]

I'm putting a soviet S-300 into battle.  

1. wiki calls the S300 as SA-10 Grumble.  But H4 at Annex D calls it SA-6 Grumble (is this the S300?).

2. How do i know what rader the S300 uses?

 

Seperate question.  I have an A-10 Warthog strafing a moving column of tanks.  The Aircraft Bombing Table on page 6-12 (bottom right hand corner) says an internal cannon like on the A-10 has certain % chance of killing tanks etc.  I'm surprised the table is that generic, it means any internal cannon has the same chance as the A-10's 6x30mm cannon which i thought would be different enough to have its on to kill table.

[skavanaugh]

KCDDUSK.

The S-300 is a land-based Surface to Air Missile, you should use Annex S.  You will find that the S-300P is identified as a SA-10a Grumble, while the S-300PS is the SA-10b Grumble.

Annex D has ship-based missiles.  The only Grumbles I can find in my Data Annex are the SA-N-6 a/b/c series.   When looking at the NATO reporting codes, remember that S = Surface, A = Air, -N = Naval (or ship based).

Cheers

Edit: The acquisition and tracking radars for the S-300P/PS are also found in Annex S, p. S-2

[dylanjones]

Admiralty Trilogy Group published a series of articles on the S300 in its magazine "Sitrep" (available on Wargame Vault).  They have full updated stats for all the variants.

Basically, there is a ship-based variant S300F called "Fort" by the Russians and many land-based variants S300P/PS/PMU/PMU1/PMU2 etc. 

Also do not be confused by the S300V.  This is a completely different missile than the Grumble.

[CV32]

On 11/1/2020 at 1:44 AM, kcdusk said:

2. How do i know what rader the S300 uses?

It doesn't appear that anyone addressed this particular question. Surveillance and target acquisition radars: S-300P, S-300PT (NATO SA-10a Grumble), S-300PS, S-300PM (SA-10b Grumble) : NATO Tin Shield, NATO Clam Shell S-300PMU (NATO SA-10c Grumble) : NATO Clam Shell S-300PMU-1 (NATO SA-20a Gargoyle) : NATO Big Bird, NATO Cheese Board S-300F (NATO SA-N-6 Grumble) : NATO Top Steer, NATO Top Pair S-300V (NATO SA-12 Gladiator) : NATO Bill Board, NATO High Screen   Target tracking and missile guidance radars: S-300P, S-300PT (SA-10a): NATO Flap Lid A S-300PS (SA-10b), S-300PM (SA-10b), S-300PMU (SA-10c) : NATO Flap Lid B S-300PMU-2 (NATO SA-20b Gargoyle) : NATO Flap Lid B S-300F (NATO SA-N-6 Grumble) : NATO Top Dome S-300FM (NATO SA-N-20 Gargoyle) : NATO Tomb Stone Mod S-300V (NATO SA-12 Gladiator) : NATO Grill Pan I have included the S-300V, even though its a different missile system, for the sake of clarity. There is some cross over between variants in terms of the radars they can use, and even some minor differences between radar systems that carry the same NATO codename. It also doesn't help that SA-20a and SA-20b used to be designated SA-10d and SA-10e, respectively.