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I would agree I think, without a significant naval presence (which they cannot provide themselves) there would be no way to interdict IRGC FACs or even conscripted vessels from laying mines--not to mention the three Kilos. It'll be a target rich environment with a significant amount of neutral and friendly presence. The situation is complicated by the Iranian Tunb Islands, Abu Musa, and Sirri; which all have small airfields and capability to host FAC/speedboat squadrons, plus AAA and ASCMs. Personally I think even with some significant help from NATO surface units, it would be a deadly place to get caught on day one.

I got it up and running, I guess all I needed was access. Now to play around a little. I appreciate the help! The scenario is changing to something a little more manageable-just UAE v Iran in the SoH. The Emiratis could cause a lot of trouble with their Desert Falcons, Mirage 2000s, and Black Shaheen CMs; but would it be possible to halt the IRIN and IRGCN from mining straights closed by airpower alone?

Gentlemen, Thanks for the replies, I'll get right on checking to see if I've got MS Access on the virtual computer. Anyways, its been a nice diversion just plugging away at building a scenario, definitely a whole different side of the game.

Apparently, it will be the Dutch, if they can convince another nation to assist them.

Greetings, I'm attempting to build my first scenario (GCC without the US v. Iran) and I'd like to include a Qatar based AN/TPY-2 radar set. The only unit that I know in the game which possesses this particular set is the INTL SAM THAAD BTY, which unfortunately includes the launchers and a large complement of interceptors (since I'd like it to only be for surveillance, missiles are a hassle). So on to my questions. In order to strip the launchers (and the avenger platoon also) do I need to use the platform editor? Can I change missile counts there as well? I can't yet open the platform editor, apparently I need an update or patch. I tried downloading the comprehensive update 2009-50 from the website, but it will not accept my CD key. Any suggestions? *EDIT* Also, in keeping with the idea of THAAD, can I make the full batteries I do include in the game (UAE) incapable of intercepting normal aircraft?

Several of the wire services are carrying a report that Turkey may be in the process of requesting NATO long-range PATRIOT surface-to-air missile batteries to be deployed in its border areas to enforce Turkish air sovereignty, guarantee the refugee camps, and possibly to create a undeclared no-fly-zone in Syrian airspace. It would be interesting to see if it was a European deployment of PATRIOT, which I think would be a first; or if the US would deploy units. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/08/syria-crisis-turkey-border-idUSL5E8M8BWP20121108

The Russians could have always imported some Iranian air defenders to man the captured missile sites. The post-revolution armed forces assumed control of western I-Hawk and Stinger along with the F-14A's, F-4s and F-5s.

Well, as far as I'm aware, the current political leadership in Iran has only forced their civilians to make due with fewer western 'necessities' IE the newest IPOD/Apple accessory or product, Gucci or DG products, etc. Most western luxuries can be had in Iran. It is not a third world country as most people assume when they think of the region. I personally think that if a war did happen, civilians would be affected to the same level that Iraqi civilians during and after the Gulf War were-loss of power, short term loss of critical services, and reduced security. The National Government would probably find its security apparatus severely damaged but not even remotely close to crippled.

Thanks for posting those other sites bronce

If you can escape the agenda; here is a decent resource for understanding the various ballistic missile types the various nations of the world have. http://www.missilethreat.com/missilesoftheworld/pageID.134/default.asp

It was the Army which manned most if not all of the nuclear air defense sites across America. Chances are if you lived in a major city you had an entire battalion of Nike-Hercules missiles in four to six tactical sites emplaced around you. Each bird had a 40kt warhead (IE Hiroshima) mounted at the tip ready to fire. Later, in the seventies the Army created several different missile types (Nike-Zeus, SPARTAN, and Sprint) which performed early anti-ballistic missile defense. Same concept applied as now-score a direct hit on the reentry vehicle...in this case with a nuclear detonation of your own...but still. Hard to imagine this being a usable defense strategy now with the massive electronicization of the American public (all that EMP being created at the edge of space with our own weapons would wreak absolute havoc). The airforce did man several BOMARC sites which were dedicated surface to air interceptors, but they would be more akin to drones than missiles. I believe it was an act of congress which prevented the airforce from developing rocket or missile interceptors of their own. BOMARC had a turbofan propulsion system, but like the more conventional army systems was also nuclear-tipped.

Currently reading "Arsenals of Folly"; a critical look at nuclear weapons policy and the policy makers from the late sixties up to the current era. Another good read is "Interservice Rivalry and Airpower in the Vietnam War" available from the Center for Military History. It looks at the parallel development of US Army Aviation and the US Air Force and attempts by both to 'usurp' combat roles/aircraft. Primarily it looks at close air support aircraft development and usage, rotary wing development, employment, and who should 'own' them, and a quick look at the non-combat cargo fixed wing aircraft operated by the army and differences in how the army would use those assets versus the air force.

Well, several interesting things happened. With a nice twist at the end, don't read the last part if you don't want to know the twist. 1. I neutralized Dahran. Using a combination of SEAD heavy air attacks followed by SCUD-Cs and fighter-bombers. 2. I killed all American/GCC surface warfare groups in the gulf including a the Kidd, which was a problem because of its SM2 missiles. 3. I killed the Bainbridge, the primary AAW ship in the Carrier battle group. My two subs were both intercepted and destroyed after they went winchester on munitions. 4. I began to destroy the American F-14 and F-15 squadrons operating over water in the gulf and the Gulf of Oman, preparing for a drive on the carrier. This ended with a total defeat of the Iranian forces by the Americans. Unfortunately cunning by the underdog was outdone by sheer force by the aggressor. Anyways, AAR on my simple air ambush tactic, it worked about 50% of the time with no losses and a kill on the American F-14. I tried several variations including IRI F-14 only, using two groups of two, one bait and one hunter (one group flies out of kill zone at afterburn, the other attacks in on afterburn after the feared AIM-54Cs were all launched. Or using different groups of IRI F-4s and F-5s, again with an IRI F-14 as the hunter. The Bainbridge was unlucky, it somehow didn't intercept all of the AS-4/AS-6 missiles shot at the group and took a few hits. The group's AAW range decreased by half due to this loss. I ended up losing a great majority of my coastal air/surface search radar stations and ADA emplacements because I wasn't able to detect incoming raids quickly enough. It would probably be possible to stave off some of their Wild Weasel attacks, but I had very low success in killing any of these groups, perhaps 1 of 3 A/C in the group were ever successfully intercepted. *** 5. And I really did not see this one coming. Realizing that defeat was inevitable, the cowardly American President (or a rogue SAC commander) authorized a nuclear strike on Mashad, Iran using AGM-69 SRAMs. After absorbing several (8?) hits, Mashad was completely destroyed. I was successful early on in intercepting a large number of FB-111s, but I noticed much too late that I missed two groups of two aircraft, either more FB-111s or B-52s, and these made the successful penetration.

[emphasis mine] Yes. I noticed that immediately when I read the orders again. Well, Talleyho with numerical parity!

Thanks for telling us a bit about how you went about staving off the 'Great Satan'. You have the basic premise of an after action report here. Hope to see more from you in the future. Ok, well I'll be testing my idea tonight. What I noticed is that the US group launches it's tomcats as individuals, meaning at most they might carry four phoenix missiles which are deadly to any red player. Using the numerous F-5s and F-4s in singles or pairs operating near their own airbase you lure the tomcats into shooting its long range AAMs. The target 'drones' then return at afterburn to their own airbase for safety. The Iranian F-14s then have an opportunity to jump in with relative long range immunity to kill of the US aircraft. Done enough times you might get an opportunity to launch long range ASMs at the carrier group, or even establish relative air superiority over the Gulf of Oman. The two-unit sub group may survive long enough to take down some ships in the group with torpedoes, preferably the carrier itself or any AEGIS escorts. To do this I expect that the two Red airbases nearest the Carrier group will have to be abandoned since they'll be completely indefensible early in the game against the F-14 threat. Of course unless this is set early in the 1980s; the Iranians couldn't possibly have this many F-14s of their own still in service, or that many operational Phoenix AAMs.