September 5, 201510 yr File Name: MED5 File Submitter: Palex80 File Submitted: 05 Sep 2015 File Category: MEDC This is the fifth scenario in the series.PRELUDE:Operation “Southern Shield” managed to oust US Coalition forces out of the Azores. With ECON forces leaking their wounds and stretched to the limit it was a rather less joyful Christmas. Once again however the US Coalition unfortunately took the initiative and with it the fight to ECONs front …or rather back door. The citizens of Tel Aviv woke to air sirens, uncommon sounds since the signing of the peace accords with their Arab neighbours 2 years ago. They looked at the sky in anticipation of Katyusha rockets coming down raining on their ballistic trajectories and caught an unfamiliar glimpse of a new foe: dozens of cruise missiles heading for their targets across the city and beyond. Only moments later waves of aircraft came in from the southwest adding to the carnage. The surprise was complete and the Israel Defence Force suffered horrifying losses in the hands of what seemed to be a joint US-Egyptian attack, while the Egyptian ambassador e-mailed the official declaration of war to Israeli prime minister Dalia Rabin.It was not over yet. In a surprising move, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan endorsed the attack on Israel and announced that Turkey will be joining the US Coalition. The back door of ECON instantly became a very unpleasant spot. Click here to download this file
September 6, 201510 yr Great! The next one. Hopefully I´ll soon be finished with NACV4, then I´ll play from 1GIUK upwards. Thanks for Your great work, Palex80.
September 9, 201510 yr Here's a small thing from a fussy old man.. There are some Bergamini class frigates included in the carrier group. These were retired in the 1980's. A second "Bergamini" and "Fasan" class are coming into service in the 2010's. Maybe you meant to use these? I'm really enjoying the NACV scenario, nice work, thanks.
September 9, 201510 yr Author Oh, thanx for that information. I'll make sure to delete/replace them in the next update!
September 9, 201510 yr Oh I didn't think you were concerned about such things. Otherwise, all of the scenarios would need attention. NACV4, for example, employs the French carrier Foch. She went to Brazil in 2000, and hasn't seen much sea since.
September 9, 201510 yr Author Indeed. ---Spoilers ahead--- The idea with the Foch is that the Brazilian Navy is helping the Americans to invade the Azores. This "coalition" is explained in the scenario orders. There are no Brazilian vessels in the database I'm using, thats why I had to "steal" the french Foch. The same applies to its escorts, which are supposed to simulate purchased vessels of the Brazilian Navy.
September 9, 201510 yr Indeed. ---Spoilers ahead--- The idea with the Foch is that the Brazilian Navy is helping the Americans to invade the Azores. This "coalition" is explained in the scenario orders. There are no Brazilian vessels in the database I'm using, thats why I had to "steal" the french Foch. The same applies to its escorts, which are supposed to simulate purchased vessels of the Brazilian Navy. Right, but you didn't rename her Sao Paulo in the scenario. Moreover, there is serious doubt about whether she could operate F-35B, even if they were in Brazilian Navy service. Alternate reality is a perfectly legitimate approach for scenario building, but if your intent is reflecting near reality, then the slope is very slippery.
September 9, 201510 yr Author I am not sure, why the Sao Paolo should not be able to operate JSFs in their STOVL variant? The Brazilians could remove the catapults and simply buy JSFs from the US (if the US would sell them those as they would to the Royal Navy). This is an alternate history scenario, one where Brazil is a US coalition partner and thus entitled to huge benefits. By the way I just found out how to rename units. :-) I am renaming the sold Type 22 frigates to Brazil with their current names and adding some fictive name to the "sold" (per scenario) Underwood frigates (upgraded O.H. Perry). This is fun!
September 9, 201510 yr I am not sure, why the Sao Paolo should not be able to operate JSFs in their STOVL variant? The Brazilians could remove the catapults and simply buy JSFs from the US (if the US would sell them those as they would to the Royal Navy). Sao Paulo lacks the appropriate deck coating to handle the F-35B's hot exhaust, for one, let alone the aviation fuel and ordnance capacity needed to operate the size of the air wing you've placed aboard her. (I don't want to say too much for fear of spoilers). Then there's the host of electronic and communications fits she would need. This is an alternate history scenario, one where Brazil is a US coalition partner and thus entitled to huge benefits. Like I said earlier, that's a perfectly legitimate approach to scenario writing. But its one or the other - alternate reality/history or best attempt at realism - and not typically both simultaneously. By the way I just found out how to rename units. :-) I am renaming the sold Type 22 frigates to Brazil with their current names and adding some fictive name to the "sold" (per scenario) Underwood frigates (upgraded O.H. Perry). This is fun! It is an excellent scenario writing tool.
September 10, 201510 yr Brad is correct about the slippery slope, and I have made some very accurate scenarios that are really boring. Please remember that I said I'm just a fussy old man. A scenario here is a work of art, just as a painting or a song is. You are doing great work in keeping this old game alive, and I'll enjoy everything you do. So please don't take my comments too seriously.
September 12, 201510 yr Author Has anyone finished playing this one? I am still struggling with programmed air strikes. It seems that the AI won't do, what I am telling it to do. Only a fraction of the programmed air strikes materialized in the game, which is frustrating. I hope you are still enjoying the game, I will be uploading a new version with newly programmed strikes in hope of making it more interesting. I have a question: What happened to shot down patrols in the formation editor? If I allocate AAW-patrols for the AI in the scenario editor and these are shot down, will the AI replace them with new aircraft (provided it has some ready on the ground)? If none are ready in the base, will it replace them as soon as the aircraft are ready? Thanx, Alex
September 13, 201510 yr Has anyone finished playing this one? Min vic achieved at 9:15:59 to go. Still playing. Edit: Maj vic achieved at 9:08:26 to go. Destroyed 1,463 aircraft, 102 helicopters, 1 carrier, 81 ships, 3 submarines, 20 bases and 19 mobile air defence units. Lost 97 aircraft, 8 helicopters, 9 ships, 1 submarine, 3 mobile air defence units.
September 18, 201510 yr Author I hope everyone is enjoying the updated and seriously more challenging version. I am going to start working on the 6th scenario of the series this weekend. Cheers, Alex
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