JMS Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Since I rejoined the community with HCE I have noted that AAMs appear to be quite lethal, which wouldn't necessarily be bad, but then I found that SARH missiles will keep on guiding despite having the launching aircraft turning away and I am bit baffled.... For example, playing the "Backyard" scenario in the WestPac battleset, I found that Su-27s and F-18s could fire AA-10s/AIM-7s nearly simultaneously, turn away and lit 'burners, and there's a good chance that the Sparrows will shot down the Sukhois as they will keep on guiding. I thought, or at least I understood from the manual, that this wouldn't be the case. Quote
CV32 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Since I rejoined the community with HCE I have noted that AAMs appear to be quite lethal, which wouldn't necessarily be bad, but then I found that SARH missiles will keep on guiding despite having the launching aircraft turning away and I am bit baffled.... For example, playing the "Backyard" scenario in the WestPac battleset, I found that Su-27s and F-18s could fire AA-10s/AIM-7s nearly simultaneously, turn away and lit 'burners, and there's a good chance that the Sparrows will shot down the Sukhois as they will keep on guiding. I thought, or at least I understood from the manual, that this wouldn't be the case. The code only requires that you keep your aircraft's radar active (turned on). In real life, of course, most SARH guided AAMs not only require that the radar stay active, but that it remains pointed at the target being illuminated, and there are further limitations as to how many missiles can be guided at a time. Quote
JMS Posted March 4, 2009 Author Report Posted March 4, 2009 Since I rejoined the community with HCE I have noted that AAMs appear to be quite lethal, which wouldn't necessarily be bad, but then I found that SARH missiles will keep on guiding despite having the launching aircraft turning away and I am bit baffled.... For example, playing the "Backyard" scenario in the WestPac battleset, I found that Su-27s and F-18s could fire AA-10s/AIM-7s nearly simultaneously, turn away and lit 'burners, and there's a good chance that the Sparrows will shot down the Sukhois as they will keep on guiding. I thought, or at least I understood from the manual, that this wouldn't be the case. The code only requires that you keep your aircraft's radar active (turned on). In real life, of course, most SARH guided AAMs not only require that the radar stay active, but that it remains pointed at the target being illuminated, and there are further limitations as to how many missiles can be guided at a time. Maybe Tomy (hint, hint!) can look into that part of the code... Quote
TonyE Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 Maybe Tomy (hint, hint!) can look into that part of the code... I've seen it and won't touch it any time soon. It was left that way for a reason, to change it would mean any number of new ways of taking advantage of the AI and of making the AI unable to properly employ the weapons. What you see is a compromise and one not easily improved upon. Quote
Herman Posted March 4, 2009 Report Posted March 4, 2009 There's lots of compromise in this behaviour. For example, if you have 12 planes firing Sparrows and 11 of them get shot down, the last one is still capable of guiding ALL the Sparrows. Unrealistic, but what the heck. It's just a game. Quote
JMS Posted March 5, 2009 Author Report Posted March 5, 2009 Maybe Tomy (hint, hint!) can look into that part of the code... I've seen it and won't touch it any time soon. It was left that way for a reason, to change it would mean any number of new ways of taking advantage of the AI and of making the AI unable to properly employ the weapons. What you see is a compromise and one not easily improved upon. Noted. Maybe it could be addressed at DB level giving lower PKs to SARH missiles? My 2 cents is that right now MRAAMs all appear to work like AMRAAMs, but you guys have bee around much longer, what do you think? Quote
CV32 Posted March 5, 2009 Report Posted March 5, 2009 Maybe it could be addressed at DB level giving lower PKs to SARH missiles? My 2 cents is that right now MRAAMs all appear to work like AMRAAMs, but you guys have bee around much longer, what do you think? I don't think the HCDB (and its sister databases, the HCDA, HCUS and HCWW) will be straying from the effort to maintain commonality with Harpoon4 rules. I should point out that the SARH air-to-air missiles still do require an illuminating radar from the launch platform (or group) and they have significantly lower PK (typically no better than 55%) than the ARH missiles like AMRAAM. Quote
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