Byron Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 I had a great time last night in the Zoom meeting, Thanks to Tony for hosting! And for future reference, I highly recommend that you join in the fun :)’ Byron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 It was another enjoyable session. If people are shy, need a different communications platform, different day/time, I'm all ears! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CV32 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 Sorry I could not make it this time around. Previous commitment. Next time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeustice Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 I have to agree with Tony and Byron. It was a great way to spend an evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldseadog Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 I was travelling but otherwise it would have suited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldseadog Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 Did you cover any significant stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 10 hours ago, donaldseadog said: Did you cover any significant stuff? We covered such meaty topics as: "how do we get those lazy kids to undertake a trade in the shipyards" WestPac/China - energy is everything and in the discussion particularly aerial refuelling is critical versus last meeting exploring the strategic weakness that is the flow of energy into China. Victory Condition game improvements Lack of platform editor re-write progress Byron's articles Julian's papers Byron talked about how Harpoon is frankly useless at suggesting a real life outcome of a tactical engagement. That expanded to what it will do is teach lessons such as don't radiate in many situations, logistics is king in WestPac, stealth and stealth-denial is important. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CV32 Posted December 15, 2021 Report Share Posted December 15, 2021 2 hours ago, TonyE said: Byron talked about how Harpoon is frankly useless at suggesting a real life outcome of a tactical engagement. That expanded to what it will do is teach lessons such as don't radiate in many situations, logistics is king in WestPac, stealth and stealth-denial is important. I have yet to find a commercially available simulation that can come anywhere close to realistically modeling the real life outcome of any military clash of arms on the kind of scale approached by sims such as Harpoon. That includes Command. These sims are far too mechanical, too regimented, too structured to realistically simulate the swirling multi-factorial chaos that is war. But they rank among the best we have, for the moment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Posted December 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2021 On 12/15/2021 at 1:55 PM, CV32 said: I have yet to find a commercially available simulation that can come anywhere close to realistically modeling the real life outcome of any military clash of arms on the kind of scale approached by sims such as Harpoon. That includes Command. These sims are far too mechanical, too regimented, too structured to realistically simulate the swirling multi-factorial chaos that is war. But they rank among the best we have, for the moment. Agree on all the above...but the question was related to a strategic outcome and Harpoon is a tactical simulation. Further, anyone who believes they can use Harpoon as a real world tactical simulator will have to have be able to not only modify the database to achieve real world capabilities but to also force the AI side to model real world actions and unfortunately the AI is not capable of doing this. Harpoon is as close as it gets, very true. But the question was asked as if Harpoon modeled real world and it does not. Byron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CV32 Posted December 16, 2021 Report Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Byron said: Agree on all the above...but the question was related to a strategic outcome and Harpoon is a tactical simulation. Further, anyone who believes they can use Harpoon as a real world tactical simulator will have to have be able to not only modify the database to achieve real world capabilities but to also force the AI side to model real world actions and unfortunately the AI is not capable of doing this. Harpoon is as close as it gets, very true. But the question was asked as if Harpoon modeled real world and it does not. Byron It isn't a truly realistic tactical or strategic simulation. And that's not talking smack about a sim I have loved and spent an inordinate amount of time with. It's just the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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