broncepulido
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Great point, not idea. I'll see. I think MCM mission type remember operates as ASW mission type. On a sidenote, ASW and ASW-LR mission types operate correctly (and think MCM the same), but ASW-2, ASW-3, ASW-4, etc, not, it operate only as a AEW mission type, flight at medium height (no possible use of MAD!) and does not drop sonobuoys!!!
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I see also as very interesting point, the ECM pod value is in fact HALVED from 50% to 25%.
See the fourth line, SA-6a PH=30%, ECM pod value 25% (halved in relation to the 50% value script in the DB), final value of PH=5%, as three missiles launches against the same single AGM-78 Standard ARM, the final probability is trebled to 15% (edited the first post now):
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On 1/3/2024 at 10:57 AM, jugasa77 said:
I wish chaff were compatible with ECM, and flares with IR jammers.
Which is the "residual probability to hit"?
Here, at last, an example of "residual probability to hit", reduced to only 1% probably because a heavy ECM environment (It was very near a EA-6B with an ALQ-99F ICAP II ECM pod rated in this case to 50% (in fact rated to 25%, see the two post after this), and the SA-3b rated to 20% PH. I think 20-25=-5, but remaining a "positive" 1% of "residual" probability of hit, a good idea for me). Read the last line report on the image:
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6 hours ago, donaldseadog said:
It's been a long time since I timed out with no side meeting minimums VCs.
Quite a good fun little scenario Broncepulido, I'll keep better eye on my AA screen next go (helo got my best sub as Kidd ran out of forward SAMs)
Of course that's the idea, but too many problems (to be commented aside in other posts) in developing this Pakistan scenario, and in consequence time consuming.
To use your scenarios the next step!
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Some sources:
Main inspiration:
Article by Paul French "Harpoon Scenario: Indian Interception" in Harpoon SITREP 66
https://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Ships/Active/181-Rajput
https://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Ships/Active/177-Nilgiri-Class.html
Only six Alize available from 1978:
https://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Aviation/Aircraft/106-Alize.html
Ka-25PL in Indian service from 12/1980:
https://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Aviation/Aircraft/117-Kamov-Ka25.html
https://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Aviation/Aircraft/112-Westland-Sea-King.html
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Notes on some platforms:
- Indian Ka-25BSh helicopter entry 8633 lacks the carrier capable flag in the DB, can't be used on ships. I employed instead USSR Ka-25BSh helicopter entry 8632.
- Indian Vikrant 91 ship entry 2390 is incapable to operate Alize ASW aircrafts, lacks the Small Aircraft flag runway (or mostly all the Alizes should be classified as STOL aircrafts). I employed instead the very similar Australian HMAS Melbourne 80 ship entry 3516.
- US Kidd-class DDG should be equipped at this date (1981 to 9/1989, pre-NTU upgrade) with SM-1MR missiles, and not with SM-2MR (and devoid of SPS-49 radar). Could be employed the equivalent mounts number 61006 and 61007 employed by the Virginia (82) CGN, ship entry number 3974.
- Paul French remembers on his original article Indian Alizes were without ASW capability from 1982. On this scenario is employed the Indian Alize aircraft entry 11587, as if that capability was emergency restated, but basically for more gameplay. Could be used French Alize 97 aircraft entry 11173 devoid of ASW capabilities, but as explained above is for more gameplay.
- Indian Sea Harrier Mk51 83 aircraft entry 10499 is replaced with British Sea Harrier FRS.1 81 aircraft entry 11033, with very limited strike and air-to-air capabilities, as the Indian ones in 1984 (the main difference is only the use of AIM-9G in lieu of Magic I).
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A Passage to Pakistan, May 1984. Hypothetical Scenario.
A Passage to Pakistan, May 1984. Hypothetical Scenario.
A Harpoon Commander's Edition scenario for EC2003 Battle for the Middle East Battleset and the HCDB2-170308 new standard 1980-2025 Platform Database. This scenario is designed with advanced Scenario Editor and to be run with HCE 2015.008+ or later.
This scenario is designed to be played from the Blue/US-Pakistani side or from the Red/Indian side. You should play a few times first the Blue side to avoid spoilers, and only later play the Red side.
Image: The US Navy guided missile destroyer USS Kidd (DDG-993) underway on November 1, 1982, before her year long New Threat Upgrade (NTU) modernization completed September 1989, adding a long range air search radar SPS-49(V)5 in the foremast and replacing Standard SM-1MR by SM-2MR, and other changes. Later commissioned on November 3, 2006, as Taiwanese ROCS Tso Ying (DDG-1803) and yet in service. Photo by an US serviceperson on duty, and in consequence on public domain, took from Wikipedia Commons.
This scenario is inspired and based in the Article by Paul French "Harpoon Scenario: Indian Interception", published in the Harpoon SITREP 66, April 2024.
The initial idea is very simple (read SITREP 66 for more details): very limited US and Pakistani forces should escort three merchants loaded with vital and urgent assets from the Gulf of Aden to near Karachi in a limited time. Its task must be prevented by Indian forces.
Good sailing and good luck.
Enrique Mas, June 2, 2024.
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On 5/27/2024 at 11:56 PM, donaldseadog said:
OK, thanks Enrique, I'll try to put something together to check, but maybe its just sit there with a few egg timer
I think I'd been thru about 100 - 150 ordinance but probably only a relative short game time, do you have any feel for if it's time or number related?
No, just as with the previous magazine issue, not discernible pattern
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This is a web site of I think recent creation, probably interesting:
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9 hours ago, donaldseadog said:
I'm hoping user error, but haven't found it yet so I thought I'd ask if anyone else is having PE export problems resulting in bad allocation of countries to platforms and some platforms having no country. It is a problem I've seen before but can't remember the detail of cause and fix. I also had a recent OS update and think it occured since my last good PE export
Don
A nightmare for me for years, and with outcomes as inconsistent as those with (past!) the magazine error problem.
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From June 2023 Venezuelan Avante 2200/Guaiqueri 11-class are equipped with 8xC802A Chinese anti-ship missiles, s0 getting considerable punch on the timeline of this hypothetical scenario:
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I read this yesterday, but only now see is named Chris Carlson:
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DDG are USS Carney and USS Arleigh Burke, shooting down between four and six ballistic missiles:
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/usaf-fighters-shoot-down-iranian-drones-in-defense-of-israel/
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some first (few) news about the interceptions of Iranian missiles targeting Iran 14 april 2024, to crunch and get more numbers on probabilities and types (as example, two USN DDGs in Eastern Med have intercept only 3 of 120 ballistic missiles launched from Iran):
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Some sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_Nerpa_(K-152)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Kalvari_(S21)
http://www.hisutton.com/Scorpene-Class-Submarine.html
http://www.hisutton.com/Indian-Navy-DRDO-AIP-Submarines.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNS_Saad
http://www.hisutton.com/India-Pakistan_Submarines.html
https://www.navypedia.org/ships/india/in_ss_arihant.htm
A very interesting analysis by H I Sutton about the elusive Arihant depicting her hull as simply a Kilo-class derivative!:
http://www.hisutton.com/Vanquisher of Enemies - INS Arihant.html
https://thediplomat.com/2019/01/indias-submarine-fleet-still-lacks-modern-heavyweight-torpedoes/
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2017/01/12/no-torpedoes-for-india-s-second-scorpene-submarine/
https://www.dawn.com/news/1467885
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Pulwama_attack
https://www.marineregions.org/gazetteer.php?p=details&id=8359
https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/dms-decimal
http://www.deepstorm.ru/DeepStorm.files/45-92/nts/971/K-152/K-152.htm
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Notes on some platforms:
- Pakistani P-3C are of unknown availability, systems and weapons, perhaps Mk46 Mod5 ASW torpedoes, rarely Swedish Tp43 or the outdated Italian A.244 (As per Jane's 2015-2016), but with state of art AGM-84L Harpoon II. In consequence to represent it as with updated ASW systems are employed USN P-3C-III Orion 86. Six aircrafts available in 2019.
- Very probably only one Pakistani ATR-72 present at the scenario date, and yet without ASW capabilities. It is not represented.
- The few (or speculative, as per SIPRI are HQ-9/P delivered 2021) Pakistani HQ-22 SAMs (per Military Balance, delivered 2023) are represented by more or less equivalent HQ-15, showing the Pakistani capability to perturb the use of Indian ASW aircraft near its coast, and at the same time preventing a escalade employing fighter to shoot down the Indian ASW aircrafts. Its placements are purely hypothetical. But forget that, later I reckon the scenario is settled before any very long range SAM delivery, in 2019 Pakistan had only HQ-16.
- The Indian Scorpene-class submarines are equipped with previously owned German SUT torpedoes, because the failed by military-political corruption acquisition process of more modern torpedoes.
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Hot Fishes in Hot Waters, February 2019. Historical Scenario.
A Harpoon Commander's Edition scenario for EC2003 IOPG Battleset and the HCDB2-170308 new standard 1980-2025 Platform Database. This scenario is designed with advanced Scenario Editor and to be run with HCE 2015.008+ or later.
This scenario is designed to be played from the Blue/Indian side or from the Red/Pakistani side. You should play a few times first the Blue side to avoid spoilers, and only later play the Red side.
Image: INS Chakra (II) S72 (ex Russian Pacific Fleet K-152 Nerpa), a Project 971I/Akula-class nuclear attack submarine, leased from Russia for India, and employed on Indian waters from 29 March 2012 to 5 June 2021, when returned to Russia in Vladivostok. Official Indian Armed Forces photo 31 March 2012 in fair use, and took from Wikipedia Commons.
In the immediate aftermath of the 14 February 2019 Pulwama terrorist attack, on the continuous Indian-Pakistani conflict for Jammu and Kashmir, succeeded by the Indian retaliation by the 26 February 2019 confuse Balakot airstrike, a intermediate submarine action is usually beleaguered.
Soon after the Pulwama terror attack, on February 19 India pulled out its Navy from the exercise TROPEX 19 and deployed a major part of its fleet with 60 vessels to March 10, from the Andaman and Nicobar islands to close to Pakistani territorial waters, apparently hunting for the Pakistani Agosta 90B-class submarine Saad, improved with an AIP system.
Including in the exercise was the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya and also the then two only Indian nuclear submarines, the SSN Chakra and the SSBN Arihant, the last one concluding her first operational deterrent patrol few months before in November 2018.
Both Indian and Pakistani navies must prevail over the other, to show his resolution to control the Arabian Sea and the access to the main Pakistani ports, and to prevent the other side to overcome. Only eluding that unbalanced situation, probably directing towards a nuclear escalade, a major conflict could be avoided.
At last on 4 March 2019 the Indian Scorpene-class submarine Kalvari was detected by a Pakistani P-3C Orion some 86 nm of Gwadar, well into the Pakistani Exclusive Economic Zone.
But cold heads prevailed and no more shots were fired.
This scenario speculates on the situation going hot between the both sides submarine and ASW elements. Even a submarine lost by a hostile action could be covered as a lamentable accident to avoid a further escalade.
The sea is perhaps too much wide and open and both side forces scarce, but after an encounter the actions can be short and destructive.
Enrique Mas, April 12, 2024.
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Testing old scenarios to constate DB editor is going fine, remembers me an old question.
In relation to the attached screenshot and the lines "DEBUG Downes FF1070 PointDefense Got'm all" , Downes FF1070 effectively has expended all its ammo firing at the incoming missiles, some have been shot down (or not!) others not and have sunk poor Downes.
The questions are:
- In the simulation, the Phalanx is shooting down the incoming missiles, or it's only applied its Point Defense Value, a value unknown to me?
- The Point Defense Value has any relation with the mount field "Auto", what reads "1" in this concrete case?
- If not, the mount field "Auto" is or not implemented on the simulation, and what is its meaning?
- The expression "PointDefense Got'm all" what real meaning has, as many missiles have penetrated the Point Defense?
- The expression DEBUG, what is related in this case?
Perhaps too many question, but many thanks!!!
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6 hours ago, TonyE said:
2024.001 posted, be extra cautious and careful, back up your files and tuck them away in case I accidentally introduced new issues.
Tested, both Database remading some magazine entries and tested in some small scenarios.
Apparently everything is OK again!
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Chopper hunt for sea mines
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But at those circunstances ASW-2/3 and MCM drop sonobuoys automatically, or not, as I remember in ASW-2/3?