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Some sources and justifications:

https://harpgamer.com/harpforum/topic/33622-iopg-and-then-there-were-two-remake-request/

http://gonavy.jp/CV-CVN68f.html

http://www.uscarriers.net/cvn68deploy.htm

http://www.uscarriers.net/cvn68history.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAW-112

UIT E-2C Plus Group II from early 1993 (in service 1992-2019).

http://harpgamer.com/harpforum/index.php?showtopic=3614&pid=12069&st=0&#entry12069

https://russianships.info/eng/

Great report Don, thanks for sharing!

Almost finished, but travelling these days.

14 hours ago, rainman said:

It looks like Enrique is all over this. Julian, if there are any other things you'd like to see, let us know.

Of course Julian, at your will.

point of interest, recorded casually in my personal notes:

http://harpgamer.com/harpforum/index.php?showtopic=3614&pid=12069&st=0&#entry12069

VAW squadron is actually this one on USS Nimitz on this time period, not VAW-122: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAW-112

With E-2C Plus Group II from early 1993 (in service 1992-2019)

Some dates on the real timeline, 13 October 1997-14 February 1998 USS Nimitz was in IOPG:

http://www.uscarriers.net/cvn68history.htm

January 22, 1997 The Nimitz departed Bremerton to conduct sea trials and ammunition onload at Port Hadlock after a seven-month, $84 million worth, ESRA at Puget Sound Naval Shipyard.

USS Nimitz participated in a Fleet Exercise (FLEETEX) 97-2, from June 23- July 3, and Joint Tactical Fleet Exercise (JTFEX) 97-2, from July 14-27, off the coast of southern California.

September 1, USS Nimitz departed Bremerton for its twelveth major deployment and around-the-world cruise to the East Coast to begin a multi-year overhaul in the Newport News shipyard.

From Sept. 23-25, the Nimitz participated in exercise Valiant Blitz off Okinawa with the USS Independence.

October 13, CVN 68 entered the Arabian Gulf in support of Operation Southern Watch, completing a 6,000 mile voyage 12 days earlier than originally scheduled.

November 26, USS Nimitz pulled into Jebel Ali, United Arab Emirates, for an eight-day visit to Dubai after participating in exercise Neon Falcon off the coast of Bahrain, Nov. 15-25. From Dec. 6-10, the ship participated in exercise Nautical Artist with the Saudis; and Eager Mace with the Kuwaitis from Dec. 13-24.

February 14, 1998 The nuclear-powered aircraft carrier entered the Mediterranean Sea after transiting Suez Canal.

From Feb. 23-25, the Nimitz conducted ammunition offload with USS Enterprise (CVN 65) and USS Detroit (AOE 4), 750 n.m. into the Atlantic.

March 1, USS Nimitz moored at Naval Station Norfolk's Pier 1 after a six-month Middle East deployment.

Clearly this cruise is choosed:

September 1, 1997 -
March 1, 1998

http://www.uscarriers.net/cvn68deploy.htm

With these squadrons (the same in gonavy.jp), only one squadron of F-14A, with Phoenix, but this does the things easier for the Soviet side:

VF-211
VFA-146
VFA-147
VMFA-314
VAW-122
VS-33
VAQ-138
VQ-5 Det.B
HS-8

And these escorts:

CG 73
CG 57
DDG 65
DD 965
FFG 54
AOE 1
SSN 717

2 hours ago, TonyE said:

the range of June 1997 to Dec 1999? 

Confirmed F-14A on USS Nimitz on those dates:

http://gonavy.jp/CV-CVN68f.html

Ok, dont worry, Phoenix phased out 2004, F-14 2006 from memory.

I'll determine a parallel timeline and "concrete" date. In fact from memory Kutznetsov does her first cruise with aircrafts 1994, after the USSR demise. I'II try to adjust anything.

16 hours ago, TonyE said:

Would anyone like to volunteer to recreate the [Original IOPG] scenario "12.0 ...and then there were two"?

This would need to be tested and ready to go by mid-December 2024 at the latest.

Parameters:

1. Similar groups, units, victory conditions to the original scenario.

2. Use EC2003 IOPG or Custom BattleSet.

2. Use HCDB or HCDB2 (HCDB2 would need a custom BattleSet from the BS Builder to make distribution reasonable).

3. Adjust design for increased realism (would Kuzenetsov really carry that many planes in that timeframe, similar for Nimitz, ...)

I peroused lightly the original scenario, very factible. But as first question, what is the pretended time, year/month/day, of the reconstitued scenario? (I don't see the original date, even year).

On holidays to 12 September or so, later I'll see.

Same applied to the Red side, see here the modified test scenario:

2024-08 TEST RED SUB LAUNCHED AShM WITH SHIP.zip

5 hours ago, donaldseadog said:

I'm reading this on my tablet while having lunch. I'm wondering would the subs actions be different if part of a group including surface combatants with suitable range missile. 

Incredible, great intuition Don!!!

At the first attempt in the test scenario, including an useless Albanese minesweeper in each Blue submarine group, the submarines lauch instantly missiles against the Red Merchants, as detected by the AWACS.

5 hours ago, donaldseadog said:

I'm reading this on my tablet while having lunch. I'm wondering would the subs actions be different if part of a group including surface combatants with suitable range missile. 

Not idea, I'll see.

Also please, when time available, get a look to this one:

Thanks!!!

Playing Red, at -16:44  Echo II launch SS-N-12 at some 12 nm target distance (its range is some 200 nm, and its minimum range 12 nm).

Very probably those launch distances correspond with passive sonar maximum range of the submarine launching missiles, less in the case of US and UK submarines. In consequence, others submarines launch their anti-ship missiles at ridiculous short distances, apparently at least.

Playing Red, at -18:45  Charlie I lauch SS-N-7 at 15 nm target distance (its range is some 43 nm).

Playing Red, at -18:55 Oscar II lauch TASM at 35 nm target distance (its range is some 200 nm).

Playing Red, at -20:30 Oscar II lauch SS-N-19 at 27 nm target distance (its range is some 200 nm).

2).- Playing Red, at -22:15 US and UK submarines launch Harpoon at 35 nm target distance (its range is some 75 nm).

Playing Blue, from -20:12 Charlie I/II launch MG-44 decoys against merchants sucessive times, but not real torpedoes. at some 14 nm target distance.

Playing Blue, at -20:12 Oscar III again launch SS-N-26 at 27 nm target distance (its range is some 162 nm)