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#526 CV32

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 11:55 AM

If there is a specific Chinese cutter class you'd like, I can add it to the HCDB.

(I'd rather not add them all, as it appears most are unarmed, and multiple types would not contribute much).

Also, if this turns out to be a HCDB specific request, then I can move these posts to the appropriate thread.

#527 AJ Heredia

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 12:45 PM

Brad,

Thank you very much. I'm not sure which ones are armed -although I did find a recent photo of a 600t CMS PB - looks like it has a 14.5 quad mount forward and some RHIB type units aft.

http://www.defence.p...atrol-boat.html

Perhaps it could be combined into a single 2000-3000t "cutter" - with 14.5 quad, RHIB and a helo pad aft? That would be pretty representative of the extreme capabilities of a CMS unit at the most. Whatever you think is appropriate.

Thanks!

-Armando

If there is a specific Chinese cutter class you'd like, I can add it to the HCDB.

(I'd rather not add them all, as it appears most are unarmed, and multiple types would not contribute much).

Also, if this turns out to be a HCDB specific request, then I can move these posts to the appropriate thread.



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Posted 26 April 2012 - 03:47 PM

Sigma 10514

105.14 meters
13.02 meters
2,400 tons
30 knots

Thales SMART-S MK2
On the 16 August 2010, Indonesia Defense Department, signed a deal with PT PAL Indonesia and Damen Schelde to build a 105 meters frigate in Indonesia based on Damen Schelde Sigma 10514 design. The frigate will be equipped with 76mm Main Canon, 12 MICA vertical launch air defence missile, 4 x2 MM-40 Exocet block II, Torpedo, Phalanx and Smart-S MK2 radar system. Though the Indonesian Navy announced that it will build four destroyer escorts referring to the SIGMA 10514.

Thales UMS 4132 Kingklip medium frequency active/passive ASW hull mounted sonar

http://www.servinghi...onesian_Variant

http://4.bp.blogspot...0/IMG_2601b.jpg

total of 4 ordered one launched with followup units launching every 12-18 months, similar to Diponegoro with 4 additional mistral, 2 more exocets phalanx, bofors SR375A, larger engines also
It may have a 100mm gun in place of the 76mm cannot confirm though

http://en.wikipedia...._class_corvette

South Korea is also building 3- 209/1400 subs for indonesia, I didn't look yet to see if this is already in the DB for another country
http://www.strategyp...s/20111231.aspx

Also for indonesia, They are building up to 24 of these, at least a couple appear to be in service now.

http://translate.goo...e...&prmd=imvns

I probably won't use these so add them at your own discretion.

indonesia also has 4 LPD's

http://en.wikipedia....g_platform_dock

onnage: 8400 tons
Displacement:
7,300 tons standard displacement
11,394 tons full displacement
Speed:
Maximum: 16 knots
Cruising: 14 knots
Economy: 12 knots
Capacity: 8 helicopters and 40 infantry vachicle
Troops: 218 troops
Electronic warfare
and decoys: 2 Bofors 40mm canon, 2 oerlikom 20mm canon,2 MBDA Simbad Missile system
Armament:
'A' position: Bofors 40mm SAK40/L70 or 100mm
'B' position: 20mm Oerlikon
'B' position: 2 x Mistral Simbad

Malaysia, your call if you want to add these now as commissioning is about 4-5 yrs out

6 gowinds


http://www.defensein...nd-Ships-07272/

Malaysiaís Gowinds
Subsequent reports from Navy Recognition indicated that Malaysia is interested in the Gowind Combat corvettes. Provisional specifications appear to make them the size of small frigates, only slightly smaller than the USAís Littoral Combat Ship:
Length: 107 meters
Breadth: 16 meters
Full load displacement: 2,730 tonnes
Max speed: 28 knots
Crew: 106
Range: 5,000 nm
Endurance: 21 days

The ship models shown at a recent defense exhibition show a full helicopter hangar. Malaysiaís Navy currently flies the AgustaWestland Super Lynx 300 naval helicopter, and Eurocopterís AS 350 Fennec light utility helicopter. With only 6 of each in stock, however, and other naval platforms (esp. Lekiu & Kedah Classes) that need them, Malaysia may need to buy or transfer new airframes, if they want the Gowind fleet to have their own on-board helicopters.

Key Sensors
Early indications are that DCNSí preference for its SETIS combat system will win the day, over the Malaysian Navyís reported preference for Thalesí Tacticos.
Thales SMART-S Mk2 3D multibeam radar
Rheinmetallís TMEO Mk2 Ė TMX/EO Electro-optical tracking and fire control system
Thales Captas family for hull sonar
ASW suite with towed array sonar
Weapons Array
Pictures from DSA 2012 Defense exhibition in Kuala Lumpur appear to show 12 vertical launch cells, mounted behind the main gun. These will be DCNSí Sylver family. Sylver A35 cells are the most likely choice, given the shipís size and expected weapon fit.
BAE Bofors 57 mm Mk2 main gun
MBDA VL-MICA air defense missiles and their ACL containers in the Sylver cells
8 of MBDAís MM40 Exocet Block III anti-ship missiles mounted topside
2 of MSIís remotely operated 30mm guns on top of the helicopter hanger
They are going with the SETIS combat system

M-346 Master (identical to YAK130 except for weapons??)

http://www.airforce-...m/projects/yak/
The weapons carried include: MK82 500lb and MK83 1,000lb free fall or retarded bombs; rocket launchers; AIM-9 Sidewinder short-range air-to-air missiles; Raytheon AGM-65 Maverick air-to-ground missiles; MBDA (formerly Alenia) Marte MK-2A anti-ship missiles.
In service or ordered by singapore, UAE
Algeria bought the Yak130
http://www.globalsec...sia/yak-130.htm

Description

Russian

Western
Guided "air-to-air" missile
R-73
AIM-9, Magic
Guided "air-to-surface" missile
H-25
AGM-65
Pods with dart 57 mm missiles
UB-32
AL-25-50, LAU-51
Bombs of 250-500 kg caliber
FAB
Mk82, Mk83, SAMP-25
Cluster munition
RBK-500
BL 755
Laser-guided bombs
��B-500
Rockeye II
Gun pod
GSh-23
DEFA, Aden

Specifications
Mass, kg:
take-off, normal 6000
take-off, maximum 8500
Power plant - 2 x turbofan DV-2S
fuel, normal,kg 1600
fuel, maximum, Kg 2200
Take-off thrust (ISA), kgf 2X2200
Thrust/weight ratio 0.76
Speed, km/h:
maximum, level flight 1000
take-off 200
landing 195
Maximum altitude, m 12000
Flight angles of attack, deg 35
Maximum range, km 2200
Limit load facto +8 -3
Take-off run, m 380
Landing roll, m 670
Service life, flight hours 10000

Japan
22DDH
Also has 2x8 MK41 VLS for ESSM

http://harunakurama....oji/cat2386218/

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 10:02 AM

Sigma 10514 ...
South Korea is also building 3- 209/1400 subs for indonesia, I didn't look yet to see if this is already in the DB for another country ...
Also for indonesia, They are building up to 24 of these, at least a couple appear to be in service now ...
indonesia also has 4 LPD's ...


All added in the most recently released HCDB-120426.

Japan
22DDH


Already present, and used for the first time in Clemens' recently released Senkaku scenario for Westpac.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 12:13 PM

About the Chinese Flankers, I wrote this post two weeks ago and now is posted with two days of retard because the sinodefence site was down for a few days (And Brad's has included the J-15 in this interval!!!).

Chinese Flankers, as in an article by Bai Wei in Air Forces Monthly May 2012 issue, and other data of sinodefense.com .
The most relevant difference in relation with the DB is in the J-15: improved Chinese engines, she will have a unknown phased-array radar and 4xC-803 anti-ship missiles (we can add it easy).
Also, we can add the J-11B: improved Chinese engines, probably only Chinese missiles, and Chinese radar.

36xSu-27SK (IOC 1991): 4xR-73 or 6xR-27. Not can use the R-77. Maximum external ordnance 8000 Kg, including 100, 200 and 500 Kg dumb bombs in ten hardpoints.
40xSu-27UBK (IOC 1991).
The first 24 planes with N-001E radar (capable of engage only one target, and tracking ten), the rest with N-001P radar (capable of engage two targets).
The original L005 ECM pod was replaced in the Chinese Su-27 with the downgraded L203/L204

100?xJ-11(A) (IOC 2001): as the late Su-27SK, but produced in China. Equipped only with Russian missiles and dumb bombs. The aim was to build 200 J-11A but the production was halted after only some 100 produced.
http://www.sinodefen...fighter/j11.asp

All those planes (Su-27, J-11A) will be not updated, and retired after the depletion of Russian missiles stock.

J-11B (IOC 2002?): PL-8 short-range (in clearly modified downwards wing-tip stations) and PL-12 active radar guided Chinese missiles. Chinese control radar (capable of engage only one target, and tracking 20). Missile aproach warning system. FWS10 Taihang turbofan (17445 lbf and 29674 lbf with afterburner) replacing the Saturn AL31F (16366 lbf and 28101 lbf with afterburner).
Composite materials lowered the weight in 700 Kg, and reduced the RCS (to one-quarter of the Su-27???).

J-11BS: two-seat variant of J-11B.

J-15 (previously J-11BJ)(IOC 2014?): carrier variant with canard planes (Only was purchased a prototype Su-33 from Ukraine). New phased-array radar. FWS10H Thaihang turbofans. 4xC803 anti-ship missiles. On trials phase as April 2012.

76xSu-30MKK (IOC 2001): two batches of 38. N-001VE radar (capable of engage two target, and tracking ten). R-73, R-77, Kh-59, Kh-29 and Kh-31 missiles, and KAB-series LGB. Two more hardpoints for 2000 Kg each. 8000 Kg ordnance total. IFR.

24xSu-30MK2 Flanker-G (IOC 2004): for the Chinese navy. N-001VEP radar. Kh-59 and Kh-31A anti-ship missiles.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:43 AM

Japan
22DDH


Already present, and used for the first time in Clemens' recently released Senkaku scenario for Westpac.



Yes, but it needs the MK41 VLS for essm added to the platform 2X8 cells to be accurate

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:41 AM

Yes, but it needs the MK41 VLS for essm added to the platform 2X8 cells to be accurate


Evidence of that remains sparse, so I left it out for now.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:09 AM

Also, we can add the J-15B: improved Chinese engines, probably only Chinese missiles, and Chinese radar.

I was meaning J-11B clearly, not J-15B ... :( (corrected in the previous post to avoid ambiguations).

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 04:29 PM

Some minor issues revising the DB-120426 (I've not revised the ships, only planes and subs):

Entry 3936 Fulin has not RCS value.

Entry 11198 AW101 pretended for Algeria was flagged as French.

Entry 11240 F-6 Farmer C has not RCS.

The MiG-23MF entries are equipped with IFR, it should be IRST.

In the 11209 entry, the Swiss F-5E, the loadouts 56225 and 57194 are identical (one of them should carry AIM-9J, but Iím not sure).

The entry 11217, Il-76T, lacks the loadouts,probably 55511 loadout, tanker.

The 57217 loadout has 114mm gun, not NR-30 gun !!!

The 55854 loadout for MiG-29A has been erroneous for longtime, it has the impossible load of 2xAA-11 Archer and 4XAA-10 Alamo (Thatís possible only in very late marks, and Iíve never see a picture of it), it must be perhaps the usual 4xAA-11 Archer and 2xAA-10 Alamo (And as consequence we can change the loadout 55852 from 2xAA-11 Archer and 2xAA-10 Alamo to the also usual 4xAA-8b (R-60MT) and 2xAA-10 Alamo loadout).

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 05:15 PM

Some minor issues revising the DB-120426 (I've not revised the ships, only planes and subs):
Entry 3936 Fulin has not RCS value.
Entry 11198 AW101 pretended for Algeria was flagged as French.
Entry 11240 F-6 Farmer C has not RCS.
The MiG-23MF entries are equipped with IFR, it should be IRST.
In the 11209 entry, the Swiss F-5E, the loadouts 56225 and 57194 are identical (one of them should carry AIM-9J, but Iím not sure).


Thanks!

The entry 11217, Il-76T, lacks the loadouts,probably 55511 loadout, tanker.


Nah, should be a cargo loadout.

The 57217 loadout has 114mm gun, not NR-30 gun !!!


Hehe, should contain Weapon # 11482 instead of # 14428.

The 55854 loadout for MiG-29A has been erroneous for longtime, it has the impossible load of 2xAA-11 Archer and 4XAA-10 Alamo (Thatís possible only in very late marks, and Iíve never see a picture of it), it must be perhaps the usual 4xAA-11 Archer and 2xAA-10 Alamo (And as consequence we can change the loadout 55852 from 2xAA-11 Archer and 2xAA-10 Alamo to the also usual 4xAA-8b (R-60MT) and 2xAA-10 Alamo loadout).


Good find. Another case of reversed numbers.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:06 AM

The 55854 loadout for MiG-29A has been erroneous for longtime, it has the impossible load of 2xAA-11 Archer and 4XAA-10 Alamo (Thatís possible only in very late marks, and Iíve never see a picture of it), it must be perhaps the usual 4xAA-11 Archer and 2xAA-10 Alamo (And as consequence we can change the loadout 55852 from 2xAA-11 Archer and 2xAA-10 Alamo to the also usual 4xAA-8b (R-60MT) and 2xAA-10 Alamo loadout).



Actually only the MiG-29M and MiG-29K have the 4 pylon wing capable of carrying 4x R-27 Alamo missiles. I have not delved into the Commander edition database in years but I know that several database in ANW side of things have had issues with not adding the 4th pylon on either MiG-29 or Su-27 variants that deserve it.

Here is a breakdown of the other Russian aircraft that were expanded from a 3 pylon wing to a 4 pylon wing; Su-27K , Su-27M, Su-27SM Su-27PU family, Su-34, and Su-35S.

No other variant prior to 2010 has a 4 pylon wing on either the MiG-29 family or the Su-27 Family

Oh as a final thought the maximum quantity of R-27T or R-27ET IR Alamo missiles is 2x for the MiG-29, and 2x for the Su-27 family irregardless of 3 pylon or 4 pylon wing for either aircraft type. If you want more IR guided missiles you are left with R-60 Aphids or R-73 Archers. That is a limitation because of Computer software. The Software is programed based upon VVS Doctrine on the use of Long range IR guided missiles.

Hope that helps

Craig P

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 11:34 AM

Very interesting the information about the software limitations doctrine-derived, thanks!
Yes, the 3/4 pylons in Flankers is another issue, but I've not mentioned it because is not so flagrant ... ;)

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 02:29 PM

Thanks, Craig. Your input around here was missed. B)

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:06 PM

Project 17A in India is going to have Brahmos missiles rather than the SS-N-26

http://rusembassy.in..._...155&lang=en

It will also probably have Barak 8 in place of the SA-N-12. This isn't confirmed but the MOD is calling for as much indigenous equipment as possible. Makes sense since the 15A's are getting the Barak 8.

Looks like the project 15B destroyers have been ordered now and the first is expected to be laid down soon. (this summer to fall maybe)

http://en.wikipedia....er#cite_note-19

http://indiatoday.in...rs/1/32769.html

same as 15A except they expect to have the Barak 8 ER ready by then roughly 60 mi range

http://www.globalsec...delhi-specs.htm

http://www.naval-tec...e-air-missiles/

http://www.defensein...g-mr-sam-03461/

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 11:54 PM

Very interesting the information about the software limitations doctrine-derived, thanks!
Yes, the 3/4 pylons in Flankers is another issue, but I've not mentioned it because is not so flagrant ... ;)


Also if we went through a database and fixed ALL the issues with Russian aircraft too many people would get confused and ask for crazy non existent things like the Su-33 or Su-30MKI. Russia, Like the United States has a governing body for Designation of military Aircraft. the VVS, in the case of Russia has only approved three new Sukhoi Su-27S Derivative designations since the Su-27M and Su-27PU entered testing in the early 1990s. Those are Su-27SM, the Mid-life update to the Su-27S/Su-27P aircraft, Su-35S, new production Flankers with new structure evolved from the canceled Su-27M, and Su-35UB which like the Su-35S is a new production Su-27UB with new structural design and new avionics. Unlike the United States, when a plane changes more than 50% commonality, the Russians re-designate the aircraft. *Cough* F/A-18E/F Super Hornet *Cough*

But now I am digressing off topic. There have been several Naval Sitrep articles where this exact fact was discussed. No need to cover old ground further




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